Awakent

[Abner]

Ive tried to ans. this...3×s
I really dont know...but my ans. wont
change, so please respect that.

[Verananda]

you said

It feels like an experience and a thought

and because I don't want to guess I just ask you what exactly the experience is that you mention here.

It is for clarification .....

[Abner]

The experience is:
"WALKING INTO THE KITCHEN"

[Verananda]

what kind of experience is it - can you see (colour/image), hear (sound), smell, taste, feel/sens (sensation) it?

and what about
Feeling...The feet
you mentioned before?

[Abner]

I feel and hear my foot steps
I see the areas that I am walking past

[Verananda]

yes!

so then is "WALKING INTO THE KITCHEN"
realy the EXPERIENCE or is it a thought/label you give these experiences (I feel and hear my foot steps,
I see the areas that I am walking past)?

[Abner]

The thought is "I am walking into the kitchen
but the actual experiencing is the walking.
I know that walking happens, but that is an
Intellectual knowing.

[Verananda]

yes:
The thought is "I am walking into the kitchen"
I know that walking happens, but that is an Intellectual knowing. = thought?

maybe this is the experience:
I feel and hear my foot steps
I see the areas that I am walking past
?

[Abner]

Yes

[Verananda]

so how clear do you feel about thought / experience now?
anything else to clarify at this point?

[Abner]

so how clear do you feel about thought / experience now?
Pretty clear...Experience is the 5 senses
All else is thought
Do I have it right now??
anything else to clarify at this point?
No....
Thank you...Ab

[Verananda]

yes!

so please close your eyes and be aware of your foot. the left or the right one.
take some minutes to be aware of a experiences.
then tell me:
is "foot" the experience or are sensations the experience?
is "foot" the experience or is "foot" a thought/label?

[Abner]

"Foot" is just a thought
Sensations are experiences

[Verananda]

ok,

so lets have a look back to this exercise

Sit with eyes closed.
Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:

Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does the body have a weight or volume?
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Does the sensation itself suggest in any way that it is a body?
or only thoughts suggests it is a body?

Look again and espacialy answer the bold question from what you find now!

Love Ve

[Abner]

Can it be known how tall the body is?
No
Does the body have a weight or volume?
No
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
No

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
No
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
No

Is there an inside or an outside?
I am aware of my stomach...feels like inside
If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?
Inside my torso
If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?
I can feel the cool air against my chest

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
It refers to a "body"
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?
Individual sensations...heart beating, stomach
growling, feet tingiling, etc.

Does the sensation itself suggest in any way that it is a body?
No
or only thoughts suggests it is a body?
Yes
Or only thoughts suggest its a body
Only thoughts
Be well...Ab