The Gate

Hi Larry
Can I just check that you are looking at all the questions - even the ones you don't reply too? Thoughts will say anything in order for a distraction to be set up - they always point outside into story! The answer isn't out there!

Sarah7 wrote: So when aren't you in the present?????

Sarah, Are you saying that even when daydreaming the mirror reflects daydreaming just as it does
everything else?

Did you look? Is daydreaming not part of what is? Out of thought what is wrong with daydreaming? Which wave does not belong in the ocean?

It must or I wouldn't be aware that I was daydreaming.

But you are aware! Else how do you know it happened?

Sarah7 wrote: How do these memories or thoughts have power?????

They don't, they just create confusion.

Where? Thought? Is this mind trying to understand again? It isn’t going to happen – else 40yrs of book reading would have done it! What is bothered by confusion? How does a thought create anything? Confusion just is. Thoughts just are. Look yourself. What creates the story that both are related? Verify!
Big hugs Sarah xxx

Hi Sarah,

Can I just check that you are looking at all the questions - even the ones you don't reply too?

Sarah, I usually reply to questions, not statements. I'll reply to everything if you wish. I do look at everything.

The answer isn't out there!

Almost all of my looking is "out there". You keep saying it's just thought. So I look out there. I'm aware of thought and watch it's machinations, but actually it's just the usual bullshit. Will watch more closely.

So when aren't you in the present?????

If you consider walking around in a day dreamy fog on autopilot being in the present; then fine.

Did you look? Is daydreaming not part of what is? Out of thought what is wrong with daydreaming? Which wave does not belong in the ocean?

How can you look at daydreaming, when I look I'm not daydreaming anymore.
Somebody once said: "All things being equal, I'd still rather not spend Christmas in jail."
I agree with everything you stated above; but screw the ocean and the wave, I'd rather be in the present, aware of the present. and not in some fog on autopilot! Holler if you want!

It must or I wouldn't be aware that I was daydreaming.

But you are aware! Else how do you know it happened?

That's what I said!

Where? Thought? Is this mind trying to understand again? It isn't going to happen – else 40yrs of book reading would have done it! What is bothered by confusion? How does a thought create anything? Confusion just is. Thoughts just are. Look yourself. What creates the story that both are related? Verify!

"What is bothered by confusion?", thought playing the thinker.
"How does a thought create anything?". OK, but what was Shakespeare doing? Is that still just doing?
"What creates the story that both are related?", thought playing the thinker.

Pleased that you are my guide -- Larryxxx

Hi Larry

Sarah, I usually reply to questions, not statements. I'll reply to everything if you wish. I do look at everything.

Thanks. Was just checking.

Almost all of my looking is "out there". You keep saying it's just thought. So I look out there. I'm aware of thought and watch it's machinations, but actually it's just the usual bullshit. Will watch more closely.

Do you mean thinking about here? Or DE?

If you consider walking around in a day dreamy fog on autopilot being in the present; then fine.

Who or what minds this????? Who or what controls this? Do you choose to go into a fog? Or out the other end?

Somebody once said: "All things being equal, I'd still rather not spend Christmas in jail."
I agree with everything you stated above; but screw the ocean and the wave, I'd rather be in the present, aware of the present. and not in some fog on autopilot! Holler if you want!

And there it is! ‘You don’t want’. This is the wall you have to look at. This is thought wanting anything but what is! Its pure want! Sit with this want! Look at this want! See it for what it is. Stop thinking about it and look!
Are you the thinker? Do you decide what thoughts you have before you have them?
Still big hugs Sarah xxx

Hi Sarah,

Almost all of my looking is "out there". You keep saying it's just thought. So I look out there. I'm aware of thought and watch it's machinations, but actually it's just the usual bullshit. Will watch more closely.

Do you mean thinking about here? Or DE?

I don't know where thought actually occurs, so I refer to it as inside, in here, or the inner movement.
As far as DE, that is almost always the outer movement, "the one mind", outside, or out there.
The senses; perception, like in the hand exercise; works from the outside to the inside; to the sensory nerves.
So when I DE I'm talking about the environment.
I believe I'm missing the point on something, I'm thinking, not DE'ing thought. Not sure how to DE thought.
I'll watch that youtube video a few more times.

I have to look at the rest of the questions, will reply later tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks Sarah -- Larryxxx

Hi Sarah,

I was DE'ing thought as an object, then backslid to thinking, will answer the wanting question tomorrow.
Has nothing to do with wanting, more like mindless robotics.

Thanks Sarah -- Larryxxx

Hi Larry

I believe I'm missing the point on something, I'm thinking, not DE'ing thought. Not sure how to DE thought.

DE is nothing more than noticing what is happening now – what sensations are occurring, what feeling is being felt, what emotions are being experienced, whether thought is happening or not – again not following content. That’s it! So when wanting happens – sit there somewhere quiet maybe, and see what sensations are being experienced, what feeling, what emotion, whether thought is chippering away or not, whether lots of thought is glued to a sensation like want. That’s it. Look.

I was DE'ing thought as an object, then backslid to thinking, will answer the wanting question tomorrow. Has nothing to do with wanting, more like mindless robotics.

As in you don’t want to be a mindless robot? That implies a choice. Where is the choice? Who or what does choice? Is that controlled? And wouldn’t you already be one – if there is no you?
Big hugs Sarah xxx

Hi Sarah,

This afternoon

And there it is! ‘You don’t want’. This is the wall you have to look at. This is thought wanting anything but what is! Its pure want! Sit with this want! Look at this want! See it for what it is. Stop thinking about it and look! Are you the thinker? Do you decide what thoughts you have before you have them?

“Are you the thinker?”

No, the thinker is another thought.

“Do you decide what thoughts you have before you have them.”

No, they just arise.

This is thought wanting anything but what is!

I see this. I realize it’s just another wave in the ocean.Thoughts arise, they just come up on their own. But if the content of thought is not real, what is the mirror reflecting; a delusion?
On 8/4 - 2:44 pm you wrote: “The mirror accepts all reflections regardless of content.”
OK, end of problem.


“And there it is! ‘You don’t want’. This is the wall you have to look at. This is thought wanting anything but what is! Its pure want! Sit with this want! Look at this want! See it for what it is. Stop thinking about it and look!”

Will look at this!

As in you don’t want to be a mindless robot? That implies a choice. Where is the choice? Who or what does choice? Is that controlled? And wouldn’t you already be one – if there is no you?

“Where is the choice?”

If there is a hundred zucchini in the stand , one does get chosen.
There is no one to do the choosing, but a zucchini does get chosen.
That action is controlled by external circumstances, which is a control, but a zucchini does get chosen.
Or:
The are certain requirements associated with which zucchini is chosen, size, freshness, lack of bruising, sections discolored etc. Seeing scans the stand, one is chosen that fits the requirements, and then thought comments and says I choose that one.


The resistance seems to be not in no self, but in no free will. I have this fantasy that I become Clear, become compassionate, become involved in something I want nothing to do with, and spend the rest of my life in misery. This is thought and I see it all the time. Where this is coming from I don’t know. It’s more of “And there it is! You don’t want”.

“As in you don’t want to be a mindless robot?”
“And wouldn’t you already be one – if there is no you?”

God, now that’s a great question! But there is no you.
So were all robots in the great Karmic scheme of things?

This evening

DE is nothing more than noticing what is happening now – what sensations are occurring, what feeling is being felt, what emotions are being experienced, whether thought is happening or not – again not following content. That’s it! So when wanting happens – sit there somewhere quiet maybe, and see what sensations are being experienced, what feeling, what emotion, whether thought is chippering away or not, whether lots of thought is glued to a sensation like want. That’s it. Look.

Sat for 60 min. or better. Out on the balcony. The cool breezes blowing on my legs, the insects and frogs making a wonderful sound. The cars, air conditioners and the sounds of human beings also making their sounds. The sky was a beautiful blue, the trees, bushes, grass also a nice
green. Everything was perfect. The mind slowed down almost immediately becoming very easy to watch. There was no inner movement, only thought. Everything was outside, the outer movement. All senses were open and the body and mind were relaxed. There was no wanting to be seen.
I don’t disagree with “And there it is! You don’t want.”, but it was not there.

Thanks for putting up with me. -- Larryxxx

Hi Larry

I see this. I realize it’s just another wave in the ocean. Thoughts arise, they just come up on their own. But if the content of thought is not real, what is the mirror reflecting; a delusion?

You tell me! Have a look.

The mirror accepts all reflections regardless of content.

OK, end of problem.

No – verify! Who or what can accept – you? How? Acceptance either happens or it doesn’t. ‘You’ cannot accept – test this! Try accepting something you don’t like! See what happens.

If there is a hundred zucchini in the stand , one does get chosen. There is no one to do the choosing, but a zucchini does get chosen. That action is controlled by external circumstances, which is a control, but a zucchini does get chosen.
Or:
The are certain requirements associated with which zucchini is chosen, size, freshness, lack of bruising, sections discolored etc. Seeing scans the stand, one is chosen that fits the requirements, and then thought comments and says I choose that one.

Story! Choice happens. Verify this!

The resistance seems to be not in no self, but in no free will. I have this fantasy that I become Clear, become compassionate, become involved in something I want nothing to do with, and spend the rest of my life in misery. This is thought and I see it all the time. Where this is coming from I don’t know. It’s more of “And there it is! You don’t want”.

Look at this. Where is this I that minds this story writing? Where is the reference point to this story? Where is the one that is bothered by this story? Look. Track down that thought and just see it. That’s all that’s needed. Nothing else!

God, now that’s a great question! But there is no you. So were all robots in the great Karmic scheme of things?

Verify this!

Sat for 60 min. or better. Out on the balcony. The cool breezes blowing on my legs, the insects and frogs making a wonderful sound. The cars, air conditioners and the sounds of human beings also making their sounds. The sky was a beautiful blue, the trees, bushes, grass also a nice green. Everything was perfect. The mind slowed down almost immediately becoming very easy to watch. There was no inner movement, only thought. Everything was outside, the outer movement. All senses were open and the body and mind were relaxed. There was no wanting to be seen.
I don’t disagree with “And there it is! You don’t want.”, but it was not there.

Lovely! So next time it appears – do the same – sit with it!
Nothing to put up with Larry – big hugs Sarah xxx

Hi Sarah,

I see this. I realize it’s just another wave in the ocean. Thoughts arise, they just come up on their own. But if the content of thought is not real, what is the mirror reflecting; a delusion?

You tell me! Have a look..

The mirror just reflects, irregardless of content. Delusional or non delusional is just more thought.

The mirror accepts all reflections regardless of content.

OK, end of problem.

No – verify! Who or what can accept – you? How? Acceptance either happens or it doesn’t. ‘You’ cannot accept – test this! Try accepting something you don’t like! See what happens.

Perception is an autonomous response. The sense organs report what stimulates then. There is no choice.

Will finish the other questions tomorrow.

Thanks Sarah -- Larryxxx

Thanks Larry.
Will let you catch up!
Big hugs Sarah xxx

Hi Sarah,

If there is a hundred zucchini in the stand , one does get chosen. There is no one to do the choosing, but a zucchini does get chosen. That action is controlled by external circumstances, which is a control, but a zucchini does get chosen.
Or:
The are certain requirements associated with which zucchini is chosen, size, freshness, lack of bruising, sections discolored etc. Seeing scans the stand, one is chosen that fits the requirements, and then thought comments and says I choose that one.

Story! Choice happens. Verify this!

Both today and yesterday I was in the supermarket looking for a dinner roll. I went to the bakery section and there might have been 15 or 20 rolls in each of the bins. I approached the bin that had the type of roll I wanted and scanned the rolls until one met the criteria I was using to select a roll. Thought started when I approached the bins.
Visually one roll stood out, was selected, and the arm/hand reached out and was taken. Thought is going ” that one is too small, that one not enough crust, grab this one, etc.” This was happening as commentary to the actions taking place and to the choices being made perceptually. It was just commentary, the choice was already made.
There was no one doing the choosing. 6 months ago this would seem weird, now it seems perfectly normal.

A question -- there were lots of rolls there, I could have chosen any number of them. If I had a criteria for selection, does that negate choice? There was no one to do the choosing but there was still choice. yes - no?
I would say yes, there were a lot of rolls! I could have chosen any one from 2 or 3

The resistance seems to be not in no self, but in no free will. I have this fantasy that I become Clear, become compassionate, become involved in something I want nothing to do with, and spend the rest of my life in misery. This is thought and I see it all the time. Where this is coming from I don’t know. It’s more of “And there it is! You don’t want”.

Look at this. Where is this I that minds this story writing? Where is the reference point to this story? Where is the one that is bothered by this story? Look. Track down that thought and just see it. That’s all that’s needed. Nothing else!

Right now it’s not here, but the more I look at it, the more it looks like just another fantasy. It’s just thinking.
It has nothing to do with anything, it’s just thought. It is just thought that creates this, then tries to explain what it's being bothered by; which is just more thought.

Thanks sarah -- Larryxxx

Hi Larry

It was just commentary, the choice was already made. There was no one doing the choosing. 6 months ago this would seem weird, now it seems perfectly normal.

Yes! Now take note of any other choice happening. Do 'you' chose? Or is there just choice happening. Is it simply another movement in what is?

A question -- there were lots of rolls there, I could have chosen any number of them. If I had a criteria for selection, does that negate choice? There was no one to do the choosing but there was still choice. yes - no? I would say yes, there were a lot of rolls! I could have chosen any one from 2 or 3

As above. Look and see what happens. Just notice. Does the hand reach regardless of the commentary?
Where do questions come from Larry? From out of what do they appear? Are they yours? Do you control their coming and going? Where do they go?

Right now it’s not here, but the more I look at it, the more it looks like just another fantasy. It’s just thinking. It has nothing to do with anything, it’s just thought. It is just thought that creates this, then tries to explain what it's being bothered by; which is just more thought.

Now track down thoughts power! What can any of these thoughts actually do?
Try watching or noticing thoughts as you notice or look at sensations.
What is clinging to the stories you have picked up from your 40yrs of reading? What does thought think is going to happen if that story is dropped?
Big hugs Sarah xxx

Hi Sarah,

A question -- there were lots of rolls there, I could have chosen any number of them. If I had a criteria for selection, does that negate choice? There was no one to do the choosing but there was still choice. yes - no? I would say yes, there were a lot of rolls! I could have chosen any one from 2 or 3

As above. Look and see what happens. Just notice. Does the hand reach regardless of the commentary?
Where do questions come from Larry? From out of what do they appear? Are they yours? Do you control their coming and going? Where do they go?

"Does the hand reach regardless of the commentary?"

Yes, the commentary has nothing to do with anything but commenting on what is actually going on right now.
I was just watching a movie and wondering about the hand/arm being just "what is". I looked down at my arm, and it didn't belong to anybody. It is just a hand/arm. This might not be phrased right but "I" then wondered who or what sees this arm?

Will answer the rest of the questions next time.

Thanks Sarah -- Larryxxx

Hi Sarah,

I need to explain the above post. The question came across as seeing or being aware of. The better question is more like: If this arm is just "what is" then who is in charge of or where does direction come from. The arm still reaches out, but where is the source of the direction. I still use the word "weird" because when the arm is seen as "what is" it almost feels as if it has a life independent of "what"?? It just seems weird.

Thanks again Sarah -- Larryxxx

I understand Larry. Get back to me with the rest and then Ill post - OK! S xx