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Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:26 am
by Noobstorm
I will still remain the same piece of awareness
Ali, expand on this.
What is awareness ?
What is a piece of awareness ?
How does self fit with awareness ?
Is this unchanging ?
This is something I learned from reading through things I don't think it has any relevance...

Awareness is what is spread through the entire universe. The body/mind is experiencing with some awareness and can't function without it. A self doesn't fit with it and I don't think it is changing.

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:32 am
by Noobstorm
In the same way the content of the concept 'self' is real but not relating to anything actual. It just appears to, until investigation reveals it to have the same validity as a thought about Santa.
The way the actual is investigated is through thought. So how would I go about investigating a self when I am believing that I am investigating? How can I know that investigating is happening without an a self?

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:53 am
by Noobstorm
A self doesn't fit with it and I don't think it is changing.
The self is temporary.

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:53 am
by Noobstorm
Bad formatting sorry, I wish there was an edit button.

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:28 am
by vinceschubert
How can I know that investigating is happening without an a self?
If you accept that mind (thoughts) are a function of the brain, then investigating happens with intent. Why say that there is a self involved when the I/me/self is clearly also a product of thought ?
Do you think that self comes before thought ?

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:07 am
by Noobstorm
What if I is a reference to the human organism which does the thinking?

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:15 am
by vinceschubert
I is a reference to the human organism which does the thinking?
Do you think that it is that ?

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:08 pm
by Noobstorm
I is a reference to the human organism which does the thinking?
Do you think that it is that ?
No the brain thinks. But what if I is referring to the human as a whole is what I'm saying(including the brain)

I find it weird that "I" keeps jumping to a different place lol.

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:33 pm
by Noobstorm
But what if I is referring to the human as a whole is what I'm saying(including the brain)
It's only a reference

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:55 pm
by Cam-RT
Good Afternoon...Noob.
I find it weird that "I" keeps jumping to a different place lol.
If you think about it, it's like a "unneeded" habit that's gone unchecked throughout your life...and what we're doing here is finally dealing with the dysfunction and allocation of the thought process, once it's seen for what it is, then the redirecting happens...

This habit if you think about it, takes a lot of unnessesary mental energy to maintain, once you let go of everything that points toward the self a lot of weight naturally falls off your shoulders...

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:16 am
by Noobstorm
Good Afternoon...Noob.
I find it weird that "I" keeps jumping to a different place lol.
If you think about it, it's like a "unneeded" habit that's gone unchecked throughout your life...and what we're doing here is finally dealing with the dysfunction and allocation of the thought process, once it's seen for what it is, then the redirecting happens...

This habit if you think about it, takes a lot of unnessesary mental energy to maintain, once you let go of everything that points toward the self a lot of weight naturally falls off your shoulders...
I don't know how to let go of it. I would just be thinking about having no self which does nothing.

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:46 am
by vinceschubert
Ali, consider this; You believe some thoughts and disbelieve others.
You can confirm those that relate to say, a table, but you believe that Batman is a fictional character.
This is because if you try to confirm Batman as 'real' you find no evidence to support it.
Can you find evidence for a Self ?

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:17 am
by Noobstorm
Can you find evidence for a Self ?
This human organism is the self. It is labelled "I." Thoughts and movements come from the human(self).

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:29 am
by Noobstorm
I can't just point to someone and say "you don't exist."

Re: I Need Guidance

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:46 am
by vinceschubert
This human organism is the self.
No, the organism is what it is. No organ of self involved.
It is labelled "I."
Yes, the organism is labeled "self" or Ali. If you changed your name does the organism change ?
Thoughts and movements come from the human(self).
No, they come from the organism.
I can't just point to someone and say "you don't exist."
Not unless you want to get put in an insane asylum. But when i look at people now i don't see a self, just a conditioned organism with stories. (the same when i think about 'me') This leads to an outpouring of compassion.
Ali, you are not being asked to kill a self or to change the organism or even to change thoughts (these things will happen without Doing them)
We are simply trying to show you what already exists. To show you how things really work. To expose reality.
It's your stories that obscure reality, then the reactions to those stories become a reality (with suffering)
When you wake up and remember a dream, what happens to your relationship with the characters in the dream?