Trying to get it

[Ilona]

Yes it’s utterly interesting! So what do you find in actual experience? In experience now- are you running it or os it happening?

Write more! It helps to focus.

Love

[nobody5]

Let's see..
I'm gonna have some tea or a coffee..?
Of course there are mind imprints, cause and conditions, environmental influence but..
Do you say that that's all, and the choice is pre-determined..?
So that I'll just choose one or the other based only on the given conditions..?
I wonder.. What's actually the free-will?

In this case, our lives would be pre-determined from birth on
That doesn't seem to sound too cool..
I ask, I already guess that no, given all the conditions maybe the choice is given.

I have seen several times some seers predict exactly what would happen in the future.. But some of them said that people can choose to change the future.

Well, ok, I'll just wandering..
But how free will get into this whole picture..?
I'm curious

[Ilona]

I’m not saying that all is predetermined. More like spontaneous arising in tune with the whole, when all conditions are met something happens. In that way there is freedom. Spontaneous arising right here right now. Are you choosing anything right now? And what is a future in your experience? How do you perceive future? Are thought and images tagged as future happening now?

Explore this :)

Love.

[nobody5]

I'm checking and checking..
Will I have coffee or tea? I'm going to meet that person or finishing a task?
I'm trying to open the central unit where the decisions are taken.
Sometimes decisions are in harmony with life and conditions.
But sometimes they are wrong decisions, and are against them.
So sometimes it's spontaneous arising, sometimes it's the result of conditions, plus mind bias and faults, greed, laziness and so on.
Is it really like a mathematical equation, this + this = this?

"I'll delay this task".. Who is delaying and why?
I still don't get the answer

[Ilona]

How is it going? Did you find the answer?
Things are happening. Life is happening. Simple, unless you try to understand it with the mind.
How about this
Experiences are flowing freely already, everything is in the right place, what happens happens. No one decides what happens, not even the voice in the head.

How does this land? Is there a but?

Love.

[nobody5]

Actually not..
I try to check, and yes, there are inner and outer conditions, but the moment when i take the decisions still remains something unfathomable.
Still remains a fraction of time where I can say "no", despite all the conditions I choose to do something different.
I try to relax, and to see thoughts from "outside", maybe the answer comes from a different plan or mindset?

[Ilona]

This video may help. https://vimeo.com/90101368
Write what comes up after watching it.

Love.

[nobody5]

Well, thank you very much, that's definitely interesting, and that's the direction I was heading my questions to (btw: my father was a Neuroradiologist 😁)
Actually, it does seem that decisions could grow spontaneously from the seeds we planted in our minds previously..

So another question arise... How do you decide which seeds to plant on it?
And what's about "effort", or the will to go against our automatic choices?
Do you think that we can't direct our destiny in any way?
And in case you say yes, how do you think the process could work, given this video?

[Ilona]

Sorry for my absence. I have a lot going in at the moment that I would like to suggest for you to work with another guide. If you are still interested, of course.
Let me know..
Love.

[nobody5]

Oh..
Sorry to hear you leaving..
For sure I am still interested, if you think that it could be o good choice.
Reflecting on pour condition is always a good option for me.

P.S. If you decided to keep writing to me, I would be happy

[nobody5]

Nobody is joining.. So please it seems that the thread should be closed.
Thanks

[Ilona]

Hi again...
are you still here?
Sorry about abandoning you in the middle of the conversation.
Let’s try again. :)
To be honest, I find live conversations much more effective and typing seems so limiting now. I invite you to a zoom meeting with a group where we can look together. You can find the dates and details on my website events page. (The link is in the signature)

Love.