I sure would like to wake up, Hello.

[Moonlight]

Take your time if you want, Mike. But do stay. The mind doesn't want to see, hence the denseness. It'll be fine.

[Sailor]

Thank you.
I will.

[Sailor]

Hello,
I'm still here and I will continue, I mean to finish this, thank you.
Am having computer problems today.
Is my hardware in on this? hehe
Odd timing here.
I got frustrated and now nothing seems to work.

[Sailor]

Having computer trouble. It took me ten minutes to get here.
I'm not going away.

[Moonlight]

Thanks Mike. RealLy appreciate your letting me know. As you said, funny timing. That's life!

Btw, every experience/emotion can be used to help see through the I. Look for the experiencer, the one getting angry, frustrated, etc. See if he can be ever found, or is it always experience + thought of "I".

[Sailor]

Wow what a weekend. Seems nothing went right.
I stayed home from work just to repair things.
I don't feel the hollowness today. Things feel as always.
Experiences + an "I" label. Yet looking at that, it
is quite a ways from when we started.
It seems frustration\anger\unhappy ect are
just kind of inappropriate.
Anyway experiancing life and looking
at labeling it with "I".
Thanks

[Sailor]

It does seem everything is on auto. I cannot locate an "I" yet I seem to have backed it into a certain location.
Thoughts a not me just thought. Awareness is impersonal. It just is aware with no need for a label"thought". I get stuck at the point inbetween. The "I" seems to be a separate entity that can choose where to focus thoughts. Like your example of choosing wheather or not to raise your hand. Yet the choosing is still another thought. "I" choose to do this or that. That is where I seem to feel "I".
Computer seems to be on and off here.
Thanks

[Sailor]

"But 'you', as a separate, controlling entity, do NOT exist. It is a thought, which is 'tacked on' to thoughts, emotions, sensations, experiences to 'claim' them as yours."

This is where i am stuck. How choosing then doing gets labeled "MINE".

[Sailor]

You OK Moonlight?

[Sailor]

Thought I had the computer problems fixed but guess not.
Still here looking.
Thanks

[Moonlight]

I'm sorry mike. I'm having computer and net issues now! It's funny. My post got deleted.

You're very close. Just look at the process again. Is there anyone really choosing, or a train of thoughts, triggered by outside stimuli and our brain patterns and conditioning. And our ever present labeling. Really look at it.

Doing great, mike. My apologies again for the delay.

[Sailor]

Yes this is very much an experiance that is labeled Mike.
Glad you are back. I'm having the oddest of computer glitches here.
I've been giong thru the days reminding myself of "No self"
Trying to remember the hollow feeling. And experiancing all as all hapening at once.
Still intellectual but I see all is one happening with no separate self. I just fade back and forth
between focus.

[Sailor]

or a train of thoughts, triggered by outside stimuli and our brain patterns and conditioning. And our ever present labeling.

That is exactly it, well put.
Then I ask if there is Me choosing or experiancing this and look for it.
I'm not giving up here.
Thanks

[Moonlight]

Remember,mike, the point is NOT to recreate an experience or feel or believe a certain way. It is a seeing, a knowing. look directly to experience.

Are there expectations about how it will be after seeing through the illusion? Are they in the way?

Find the one which is trying to remember the hollow feeling. The mind gets stuck in loops of thoughts.

[Sailor]

[quote="Moonlight"]Remember,mike, the point is NOT to recreate an experience or feel or believe a certain way. It is a seeing, a knowing. look directly to experience.

Yes of course. I don't think expectations are there\in the way. Just a stubborn sense of self.

I can be quiet and observe thoughts, experiances, sounds, touch ect. Yet it still seems the observer is
a self. I can look for "ME, I," and I only find "LOOKING" that implys a me.
All I can think of is staying in a "LOOKING" state expecting an experiance.
The sense of self is really hunkering down. Daily normal things have been really going to pot here. All of a sudden out from normal doings. It seems like an invitation\threat from actual experianced life for me to back off and reasses what is real and take control to make things happen so they don't fall to s**t. I experiance frustration looking at this stuff, still without getting too caught up in the drama. Just a dismay looking at things that should look much better and should normally be so. So I end up behaving\responding\reacting in the easiest way that "SEEMS" appropraite. And then crazily things\situations just easily work out. Leaving me wondering "What was all that." I sure would like a new view of this life.
Thanks