The Gate

Julia,

I agree with you that you are ready. Please keep in mind that we want you to use examples of direct experience in responding. Please, no short, one-word responses. Other guides will look at these and want to see evidence that you have seen through the illusion of self with examples and descriptions from direct experience. You can take as much time as you need, so don't feel as if you need to rush through these in a single day. As previously, descriptive language is best. Here we go!

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

6) Anything to add?

Thanks much, Julia. It has been a fun ride this far. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Best,

John

Hi John,

Will take time tomorrow to get back to "you". It's been an amazing ride.

KR
Julia

Thanks, Julia. I look forward to seeing your responses. If you need more than a day, that's okay. It's also okay if you want to break them up rather than submitting them all at once.

Best,

John

Hi John,

I agree with you that you are ready. Please keep in mind that we want you to use examples of direct experience in responding. Please, no short, one-word responses. Other guides will look at these and want to see evidence that you have seen through the illusion of self with examples and descriptions from direct experience. You can take as much time as you need, so don't feel as if you need to rush through these in a single day. As previously, descriptive language is best. Here we go!

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
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Very exciting to have reached this point of seeing. Feel different since seeing that there is no separate entity that
is labelled "self/ego/me/I". There is nothing that is separate. Have lOOked all around, everywhere. Can't see a separate entity anywhere. Have lOOked for a separate "self" in any shape, or form. Looked, touched, and could smell and feel nothing called "self/I/me". Have lOOked many, many times only to find nothingness when looking for this other "entity". It feels so good to be living in truth now. Feeling much calmer, not getting drawn into the emotions and stories, as before finding LU. Able to take a step back from the thoughts and see more clearly.

"Was there ever?" No, it has all come from conditioning to believe in a "self", since being a little baby. (Ohhh, that was a long time ago) and yet, what is age?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of separate self or separate entity starts from being a baby and those around you give you a name, and identity, one is taught about "oneself" and gets used to referring to themselves as I/self/me/I am, etc. It becomes so entrenched in the thoughts and becomes the identity, ego and personality, etc. Some of us have been taught
spiritual beliefs, "was" one of them and believed for years that "me" was a separate entity until finding LU who then helped "me" (if there was a "me") to lOOk for this "self". It's such a simple thing to do, yet it never occurred to "me" until now, to just lOOk for it! There's NOTHING there!


John, have to go now. Will continue later today or tomorrow okay. Is this descriptive enough?

KR
Julia

Julia,

Thanks for the responses to the first two questions. There is an enthusiasm evident here, and it has the ring of authenticity.

Good description. Keep going.

Thanks,

John

Hi John,

You can take as much time as you need, so don't feel as if you need to rush through these in a single day. As previously, descriptive language is best. Here we go!

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels amazing to see through this illusion! Before starting dialogue with LU there was a very solid belief of a separate entity to the body, something extra, unseen. With John's guidance, to date, can now SEE this was all an illusion, just like the Batman and Robin and Santa illusions.

By learning "direct experience" (living in the here and now with the senses, not in the past or the future) have been able to SEE through the illusory "self" by lOOking everywhere for this self that does not exist (only in words that mean nothing). It is so simple, it's ridiculous really that "I" have been so trusting in what others have taught, all through life, and believed it! It just did not occur to lOOK for this unseen entity/self before LU! It was all based on nothing that exists in real terms. It can't be seen, felt, tasted, etc. because it is not real!

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Lots of resistance started to come up. A couple of times, there was the strong feeling of being slapped with the Zen Stick. It worked. It made "me" become more serious about this process, to apply more effort into lOOking and to learn how to live in the "here and now" with direct experience. It is still an ongoing process though with d.E., and each day am learning to apply it to living life without getting drawn into the thought and emotion stories, as per information shared last week, for example.

John, will get back to you tomorrow with Nos 5 and 6. Thank you.

KR
Julia

Hi Julia,

Once again, delighted at the clarity demonstrated here with such enthusiasm.

Uhhhhh...sorry about the slap. ;)

Look forward to your next responses.

Best,

John

Julia,

Just noticed something related to this statement:

It made "me" become more serious about this process, to apply more effort into lOOking and to learn how to live in the "here and now" with direct experience.

If anyone were to ask about who is putting in this "more effort," how would you respond?

By the way, loved the use of the terms "simple" and "ridiculous." Such a common reaction to seeing.

Best,

John

Hi John,

Sorry about yesterday, had a big storm here that knocked out the bt.hub for a while.

Just noticed something related to this statement:

It made "me" become more serious about this process, to apply more effort into lOOking and to learn how to live in the "here and now" with direct experience.

If anyone were to ask about who is putting in this "more effort," how would you respond?

By the way, loved the use of the terms "simple" and "ridiculous." Such a common reaction to seeing.

Half expected something to be said about that sentence!

There is NO who or I that put in "more effort", it was a feeling, and thought to set more time aside for this process,
which increased "my" investigations with LU online.

Will return shortly.

KR
Julia

Hi John,

Here are answers to Q5 and Q6:

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

Interesting questions. A while back, would have said yes "I do control events in life, and given an example". Today, now, the answer is NO, "I" do not decide, intend, choose or control events in life! "I" do not make anything happen! The simple truth is there is no "I, you, me, myself, self, separate entity,etc" to control anything! It's so simple to SEE when it is all questioned, not just ASSUMED. It is how we are conditioned to think, because we are bombarded with this way of thinking all the time!

An example, sorry, can't give one now that it's been seen that there is NO separate entity, self to control anything.

6) Anything to add?

Well, have to say it has been an amazing ride, so far. This isn't over, is it. Thank you. Till tomorrow.

KR
Julia

Hi Julia,

An example, sorry, can't give one now that it's been seen that there is NO separate entity, self to control anything.

Completely understand. How about describing something previously thought under your control and describe how direct experience negates that illusion? Again, stay descriptive of direct experience.

Well, have to say it has been an amazing ride, so far. This isn't over, is it. Thank you. Till tomorrow.

It's not over at all. It is the same and yet different. During this final process, please know that I don't have any special ability to discern whether or not you have seen. The same goes for any guides who review this dialog. You are the authority for that. (Notice I don't always feel compelled to put personal pronouns in quotation marks. Whether quotation marks appear or not just happens.) :-) Since somewhere on page 8, the clarity shines through.

Look forward to hearing your last response to question 5.

Best,

John

Hi John,

Completely understand. How about describing something previously thought under your control and describe how direct experience negates that illusion? Again, stay descriptive of direct experience.

Here goes a possible example. Many years ago, in younger days, I loved riding a horse called Guinness Greenfields Infinity. When riding I used to believe that he was under my control and was completely safe. It was an illusion, d.E. shows that. I see that now. Guinness and I were living life. Life happens. Happenings come and go. "I" was not in control. Because "I" was/is nowhere to be found! Life happens effortlessly, unfolding without our knowing what will unfold, which was certainly what happened to the two of us.


Was that descriptive enough? Anything else? Thanks John.

KR
Julia

Hi Julia,

I will invite some other guides to review our dialog to see if they have any additional questions. If they do, I'll pass them on to you. I hope to get back to you soon.

Thanks,

John

Hi John,

Thanks John for getting me this far. Have come so far. Don't want to stop now. Grateful thanks.

KR
Julia

Hi Julia,

There's no stopping. Life continues to happen, and change is inevitable.

Meanwhile, one of the other guides has requested that I ask you to readdress question five with examples from experience right here, right now. Should prove to be a good experience in seeing.

Thanks for walking down this path and allowing me to accompany you. (Even though in direct experience, "you" had no choice!) ;-)

Looking forward to your response.

Best,

John