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Re: Artzo need guide

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:44 pm
by Ilona
Mmmm, beautiful. The shift can be very subtle, but it's really deep. And looking does not stop here, it continues, and there is deeper and deeper seeing, beliefs keep dropping..

Yes, language can not describe what is happening without using pronouns and nouns, it's limited. But it no longer need to be taken literally and words can be known to be empty. Then we can communicate without sounding weird.

Tell me, how do you see, what this illusion of separation is, how does it start and how you see it now? Was there an I entity ever?

Much love and a huge smile!

Re: Artzo need guide

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:42 pm
by artzo
The illussion is a story repeated and believed to be something real.
It is probably from young age by learning of language.
Language in its form describe all as seperate individual objects creating a seperated woeldview.

Before it was like being in the story, identify with the story of I.
Now it is seen as story not believed to be anything else.
More like situation happen and noticing how old soundtrack starts to play themself out.

There is no I that was and then killed, ereased, uplifted or changed.
There is word I, there can be story pointing and connecting dots to word I.
There can be belief patterns and concepts of I, but never an I entity.
All that was protected was the story of I.
Story needs no protection. It can be left as it is, mind can relax more and more as it don't have to maintain this story anymore.

Re: Artzo need guide

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:37 am
by Ilona
Yes, it all resonates here what you said.
So how does it feel to see this?
What was the last push before seeing happened, if you can pinpoint that?

Much love!

Re: Artzo need guide

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:41 pm
by artzo
The real last push was when looking at what really needs protecting.
Something happened there.

Seeing it feels so simple and uncomplicated.
There is a feeling of automatic unpacking, of starting to see what is really happening instead of constant minddueling.
A feeling of relief and also excitement.
Like an exploring adventure, not gathering more but letting go of old.

A freshness to what is.

Re: Artzo need guide

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:38 pm
by Ilona
Oh yes! Freshness and excitement. That rings the bell. :)

So how do you see now, do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Can you give examples from your experience?

Re: Artzo need guide

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:14 pm
by artzo
That is part of the ingrained illussion, that there is a decider, chooser and controller.
It is not found anywhere. It is just another story.

Life happens by itself.
Like driving to job thoughts about driving carefully when seeing a cat is automatic and often memories and stories of earlier accident of cat running out in front of car often pops up automatically.
There is no chooser od this to happen.
People animal all trigger something.
Intrest disgust anything really can pop up.
There is no I that choose or make this happen.
There is no I in controll, belief and story of control is created afterwards or before in respons to circumstance, stimuli earlier patterns and so on.

Gras grow automatic respons sometimes is to move the lawn. Hunger triggers thought of food.
Some thought causes intrest, focus on that subject happen,it is not choosen.

All just is, no need of chooser controller intender thinker doer don'ter me you them us.
Life is doing well a job of living.
All other this I-buisness is just expressions of words, mindstories being expressed and pointing to other stories and beliefs. No real substance.

Re: Artzo need guide

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:06 am
by Ilona
Dear Artzo,

i see that you see and i am very happy to welcome you to LU community :)
of course this is just a beginning and looking does not stop here, it's only started. there will be challenges and intensity, but as you see, it's all just happening, to no one.

how are you feeling these days? have you noticed any change in how you behave in usual situations? is anything different or all is the same?

big hug!

Re: Artzo need guide

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:22 pm
by artzo
There is a much more relaxed way to usual situations.
A more natural flow.
Intensity and old stories pop up from time to time, but it is easier to be among people.
There is not constant mindpanic.

Situations thoughts and to some agree feelings are much the same, relating to them is shifted.

There is not the feeling of needing to get somewhere in a rush anymore.
It is more like it is just nice to be, almost like mind often goes into vaccation mode, there is not a feeling of needing to constantly battle life.

Would gladly join lu community.

There is also much gratefulness felt, big thank you.

Re: Artzo need guide

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:19 pm
by Ilona
Thank you Artzo, i will pm you with a link how to join.

much love!