I can't quite get "there"

[vinceschubert]

Disappointing. I'm searching for the excellence in it.

Does the future hold more promise than the present ?

So I just live and move and experience this.

Is there a choice ?

There's nothing in linda and nothing in this.

There is EVERYTHING in linda and the same EVERYTHING in THIS.
THIS may seem ordinary, but that is because it is viewed through the lens of the delusion. (that a self actually exists)
As you see that stories happen (the mind is a Fantastic story creator) and no longer react to them as if they were true, there arises different responses to them. This has the effect of allowing some old neuronal pathways in the brain to atrophy, and new ones to establish. Ah, the wonder-full plasticity of the brain. It is the new pathways that are viewing Reality, as IT is, and here is where appreciation of the WonderFullness starts to really kick in.

So where's the "AHA?

For 'me' there was no one AHA!. There was little, mental aha...s
There were bigger Aha s each time i caught a story being believed. This went on for months post gate.
AHA happens with recognition. You had a little one (haha) in the last post when you saw it was your story of finding God to love you.
If there is no 'you' to choose, and choice just happens, then choice is born of something beyond the mind. A story here, is that Intention plays a part in choices not yet arrived. So choice, for all practical purposes is simply part of the expression of THIS. Perception reveals a very small part of THIS. Believing stories distorts and camouflages Reality. Allowing the old neuronal pathways to atrophy, progressively reveals more...
Perceiving what is Real and what is story, is todays job.
Come back with a few anecdotes where you caught yourself believing story and what your reactions were.

love

[cummins55]

For 'me' there was no one AHA!. There was little, mental aha...s
There were bigger Aha s each time i caught a story being believed. This went on for months post gate.
AHA happens with recognition. You had a little one (haha) in the last post when you saw it was your story of finding God to love you.
If there is no 'you' to choose, and choice just happens, then choice is born of something beyond the mind. A story here, is that Intention plays a part in choices not yet arrived. So choice, for all practical purposes is simply part of the expression of THIS. Perception reveals a very small part of THIS. Believing stories distorts and camouflages Reality. Allowing the old neuronal pathways to atrophy, progressively reveals more...

I did that all day yesterday. I'm a food server so I had LOTS of moments to see where I make a story, there was the linda the struggler, linda the misunderstood and (my personal favorite) linda the drunkard. Today is Sunday and an especially crazy day so I will report with more.
I'm going to investigate more of what you say about choices. It is beyond the mind because I can't quite grasp that. If you would please ellaborate.

Does the future hold more promise than the present ?

Is there a choice ?

I have been caught up in "Once I wake-up this will get better". And again, I don't believe I have any choices. But perhaps that's the, linda is a victim even to the cosmos, story. haha

There is EVERYTHING in linda and the same EVERYTHING in THIS.
THIS may seem ordinary, but that is because it is viewed through the lens of the delusion. (that a self actually exists)
As you see that stories happen (the mind is a Fantastic story creator) and no longer react to them as if they were true, there arises different responses to them. This has the effect of allowing some old neuronal pathways in the brain to atrophy, and new ones to establish. Ah, the wonder-full plasticity of the brain. It is the new pathways that are viewing Reality, as IT is, and here is where appreciation of the WonderFullness starts to really kick in.

And there's the excellence in THIS.
Happy Sunday to you Sir. I will report back to you this evening.

hugs

[vinceschubert]

i thought this is relevant for you. (translated from French)
yvesOctober 25, 2012 5:53 p.m.
hello, for my part, I can not always stay in the present moment, and when it works one day, so then it becomes more difficult for several days, I feel a lot of silence in my life with little thought, but my ego and duality are still there, I do not know if age can have an impact on our production and in recent years more I meditate a lot, not as much as before, I have no desire and it disturbs me a little thank you for your attention. Yves.
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Guy MauchampOctober 25, 2012 9:03 p.m.
Hello Yves.
questioning Thanks for your staff is actually quite universal because the issue of the moment is a recurrent problem for spiritual seekers.
Interestingly view is gradually limiting beliefs to which one adheres without seeing . Yves and your description, there seems to be several beliefs.
A first is that the conscious life of the present time should be linear as a long quiet river. Or be it in its natural state or arousal, life goes on the same way, absolutely nothing changes, there is always joy and sorrow, soft and hard, well-being and pain. The difference is that this is no longer lived in the same view. Things are received without grip without involvement.
Another belief is to think that we leave the present moment. But watch very carefully: Have you ever been away from your experience? When it becomes more difficult, this is what happens to you in the present moment. it is a moment of difficulty which is colored, but you have never left the present moment. What happens is that you certainly involve much more when it is "difficult", perhaps by the refusal, which you say afterwards that you were as absent from the present moment.
's ego that must disappear is a belief that has thick skin. The ego is a concept, an idea of a set of psycho-physical carctérsitiques fluctuating. In the natural state, the ego is still there with its own characteristics, and it can be functional in everyday life. It is simply seen as an object and not as an identity, it no longer leads the dance.
Awakening is unconditional, it can occur in spite of, not because of, as being the origin of all causes. Enlightenment is understanding that there is no time, the notion of flow of time emerges from the eternal present. You do not age. Believe that you have 40 or 120 years is a joke, a second-hand knowledge.
Awakening is meditation without effort. Do meditation is an effort of concentration which may occur in your life, and this is no problem. Find that you no longer taste the efforts of concentration can be received as good news.
I was a little long, but you have lots of questions. The goal is to discover that you already know the answers to return to your natural state in which the questions are dissolved.
Friendships.
Guy

[cummins55]

i thought this is relevant for you. (translated from French)
yvesOctober 25, 2012 5:53 p.m.
hello, for my part, I can not always stay in the present moment, and when it works one day, so then it becomes more difficult for several days, I feel a lot of silence in my life with little thought, but my ego and duality are still there, I do not know if age can have an impact on our production and in recent years more I meditate a lot, not as much as before, I have no desire and it disturbs me a little thank you for your attention. Yves.

I could have written this word for word. That's exactly where I am at. I have no spiritual practice now, and I don't feel like I need to. There are no spiritual books that interest me today. There are no secular books that do either. No news, no politics, just a good movie and family. And that's where IT"S at. I feel like this whole thing is a process that is lived. When I pay attention and notice my stories they go away. There are so many things about this process I want to be made aware of. That's where the growth is.

A first is that the conscious life of the present time should be linear as a long quiet river. Or be it in its natural state or arousal, life goes on the same way, absolutely nothing changes, there is always joy and sorrow, soft and hard, well-being and pain. The difference is that this is no longer lived in the same view. Things are received without grip without involvement.

I wanted to jump up and down when I read this, YES! YES! YES!

's ego that must disappear is a belief that has thick skin. The ego is a concept, an idea of a set of psycho-physical carctérsitiques fluctuating. In the natural state, the ego is still there with its own characteristics, and it can be functional in everyday life. It is simply seen as an object and not as an identity, it no longer leads the dance.

The story of the ego being the enemy, trying to destroy, demonized. No more.

Awakening is unconditional, it can occur in spite of, not because of, as being the origin of all causes. Enlightenment is understanding that there is no time, the notion of flow of time emerges from the eternal present

It can occur in spite of. No amount of meditation or practice or right or wrong makes a difference cause it's here, right here in my lap, at my finger tips, every where. Enlightenment is. With every story I notice I get closer to what is.

Awakening is meditation without effort. Do meditation is an effort of concentration which may occur in your life, and this is no problem. Find that you no longer taste the efforts of concentration can be received as good news. The goal is to discover that you already know the answers to return to your natural state in which the questions are dissolved.

Thank you so much for sending this to me! I understand!
Today was really busy! I did my best to notice some of my stories but it truely was a mad rush. One thing I did notice I handled things with more ease. I was more carefree. I didn't obsess.
Thank you so much Vince.
bless

[vinceschubert]

So linda, would you say that awakening has occurred there ?

[cummins55]

Enlightenment is understanding that there is no time, the notion of flow of time emerges from the eternal present

I'm not here yet. I would like for you to elaborate more on what choice is.
It's not that I'm not awake but it's not that I'm awake either.

For 'me' there was no one AHA!. There was little, mental aha...s
There were bigger Aha s each time i caught a story being believed. This went on for months post gate.
AHA happens with recognition. You had a little one (haha) in the last post when you saw it was your story of finding God to love you.
If there is no 'you' to choose, and choice just happens, then choice is born of something beyond the mind. A story here, is that Intention plays a part in choices not yet arrived. So choice, for all practical purposes is simply part of the expression of THIS. Perception reveals a very small part of THIS. Believing stories distorts and camouflages Reality. Allowing the old neuronal pathways to atrophy, progressively reveals more...
Perceiving what is Real and what is story, is todays job.

If all this is true for me too.... Awakening is occuring.

[vinceschubert]

I would like for you to elaborate more on what choice is.

i will come back to this in more detail later. It is a big one.
i am forgetting what it was like before liberation, but as i think on it, maybe i didn't see choice-less-ness until after.
It is impossible for the mind to comprehend. i suspect it is either seen or not.
i'll be back...
in the meantime, consider if awakening is a progressive, gradual process, is there a point when you can say "this is it"?

[cummins55]

I believe awakening is a progressive, gradual process. I've heard of the sudden awakening, but there's still growth, deepening and maturing. Benhito Massario for instance. I believe either way there's a moment when it hits you, a profound seeing of one with all, all with the one. If I ever get to the place of "this is it", it would be the mind one more time trying to call the shots.

[vinceschubert]

I believe either way there's a moment when it hits you, a profound seeing of one with all, all with the one

Say more about this.

If I ever get to the place of "this is it", it would be the mind one more time trying to call the shots.

i understand what you are saying here, But... usually THIS is IT, or this IS IT, or this is IT, or THIS is it refers to an experiential Recognition, rather than a concept (intellectualization). It usually refers to Reality, not a mind state. It is not another way to say "I am enlightened" (which is an oxymoron)

[cummins55]

I believe either way there's a moment when it hits you, a profound seeing of one with all, all with the one

Say more about this.

The moment (and it's here) when it all regergitates and the eyeballs open and you know that you know, the most profound truth realized, like the fact there is no self or how we're all living the one life, but under different labels, like linda, joe or charlie.

If I ever get to the place of "this is it", it would be the mind one more time trying to call the shots.

i understand what you are saying here, But... usually THIS is IT, or this IS IT, or this is IT, or THIS is it refers to an experiential Recognition, rather than a concept (intellectualization). It usually refers to Reality, not a mind state. It is not another way to say "I am enlightened" (which is an oxymoron)

OK so "this is it" as in this is what there is. I am training my brain to see this as "it", all there is. I am reminding myself of the noself. Of how I'm making a story to make "me"ness. Changing the synapsis like you said before.
Reality is this is it. Linda is a story or series of stories that make linda. This stuff all around me is perception of "mine". There is an illusion of giving and taking and having. As I write these words I ask myself "do I really believe that? or is It a concept I've heard and I repeat until I "see". Have I intellectualized all of it? I doubt myself because I don't want to live in a cave or sit in the park and gather people or write books.
I'm just looking for the pebble in my shoe that some people have found and say once I find it and removed it, I will stop suffering.
There's nothing here and I would like to "know" it. Everything is here and I would like to experience it. I'm practicing.

[vinceschubert]

I believe either way there's a moment when it hits you, a profound seeing of one with all, all with the one

Hmm, i would call this a 'sonic boom'. Of the hundreds that have 'woken up' here, maybe 1 in 100 have that experience, and it usually fades, as do all experiences. (it's a good story though)

I am training my brain to see this as "it", all there is.

Brain 'training' or de-conditioning will happen after liberation. There is nothing you can DO to make this happen.
If a bird lands in front of you, do you DO anything to see it ?
It's not there, then it is there, and there is recognition.
Think all you like about the illusion of 'self' (bird) and you won't see it, but when conditions align, Aha! Recognition occurs.

I doubt myself

Here, there is knowing that both "I" and "myself" are mental concepts occurring to 'you', so i rephrase it to say "there are doubt thoughts happening", which brings me to the question, do thoughts have any inherent credibility ?
Can you control the thoughts that arise ?

[cummins55]

I believe either way there's a moment when it hits you, a profound seeing of one with all, all with one.

Think all you like about the illusion of 'self' (bird) and you won't see it, but when conditions align, Aha! Recognition occurs.

This is the moment I spoke of.

do thoughts have any inherent credibility? Can you control the thoughts that arise?

If I'm not thinking my own thoughts than I have no control over them. Do they have credibility? I suppose this goes with choices. They are credible as far as the "event" is allowing.

[vinceschubert]

Do they have credibility?

Do they have inherent credibility ? or are ALL thoughts to be believed because of (insert reason here) ?

[vinceschubert]

This is the moment I spoke of.

This moment can be quite subtle and easily overlooked.
For me it was so. It had dreamlike qualities and was being forgotten even as it occurred. Then doubt thoughts arose (quite often for the first few weeks) Each time i had to re-visit the certainty that This IS IT, how could it be any other way, and Doubt thoughts are just thoughts and deserve no special consideration. Oh, how i yearned for some sign of CERTAINTY

[cummins55]

Do they have inherent credibility ? or are ALL thoughts to be believed because of (insert reason here) ?

Lately I've been asking "who's thinking and who's listening?" Then everything gets quiet and spacious. Like I stepped out of the woods. No thoughts do not have credibility because everything will happen or not happen whether there's thoughts or no thoughts.

This moment can be quite subtle and easily overlooked.
For me it was so. It had dreamlike qualities and was being forgotten even as it occurred. Then doubt thoughts arose (quite often for the first few weeks) Each time i had to re-visit the certainty that This IS IT, how could it be any other way, and Doubt thoughts are just thoughts and deserve no special consideration. Oh, how i yearned for some sign of CERTAINTY

I relate to everything you said here. I haven't been able to communicate what's been happening to me. I'm just so unsettled. What you said about the moment being subtle and easily overlooked made me feel happy. I was comforted to know there's more here and maybe I'm missing it. Like when you said there's Everything here and Everything in linda. Subtlties are the essence of life.