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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:43 am

Dear Lubo
Do you feel that there is an object "me"?
Is there a "you" object subscribed to the forum?
No, there's no "me" object. And there's nobody subscribed to this forum.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:09 am

Mmm :)
No, there's no "me" object. And there's nobody subscribed to this forum.
Notice what this questions point:
What is to find that?
What makes things happened?
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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:27 pm

What is to find that?
Nobody looking for nobody. Only emptiness there.
What makes things happened?
Who knows!?! I don't. Certainly not Claudia. It feels like nobody really.

Things triggering things.. sensations reacting to sensations. It feels like energies within / outside of what is in a biological sense the body. But the body has no lines / end or beginning really.

It's been a fools game really.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:16 pm

Mmm,
Only emptiness there.
Who knows!?! I don't. Certainly not Claudia. It feels like nobody really.
Thus wich knows everything, is that persona, "me" doing that ?
You who knows is separate from the knowing or?
Look?

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:25 pm

You who knows is separate from the knowing or?
There’s nobody knowing, just knowing.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:21 am

Hi dear Claudia,

What is happening with the acting/pretending to be Claudia?
look the way inner dialog is going on?
and
during the communications in everyday life?

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:24 pm

Hi Lubo

Thoughts are happening, conversations like a wheel, but there’s less grip for it to stick… it kind of runs into nothing.

For most part it’s like this: Like one thought may pop up and before that would lead down a whole path of stories and inner dialog and this is not happening anymore… the thought comes and usually kinda dies… goes and no reaction to it happens.

Same in conversations, there’s no need to act upon something that before was taken as a provocation. it’s just fine. The conversation stays with whatever is (e.g. making dinner and not defending a self that’s not really there).

Back to the thoughts, it just feels like the wheel is still turning and I‘m convinced there will still be grip for it and that seems ok. Stuff or identifications that need to be looked at closer?

Not sure I’m explaining this clearly.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Sun Oct 20, 2024 7:37 pm

Hi dear Claudia,
Yes, when we investigate thinks looks like you describe!

Let's use label Oneness.
Is there "a me" or only How Oneness appear as...?
Is there a time in Oneness?

Notice the knowing/awareness of the experience in this very moment.
Is that knowing/awareness personal, by accident or this is eternally here/you?God ?
Notice the visual field+ thoughts+sensations+sounds - are these known?
Does the knowing is what is known (I mean experiences wich are constantly changing?)
Or knowing is not influence by any experience? ( life or absent of life experience during the sleep)?
Now you can rest as awareness/knowing of everything!
God and your paradise, private machine for fulfilment your desire of experiences.
Is that to much ? Do you prefer small steps?

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:55 pm

Hi Lubo
Is that knowing/awareness personal, by accident or this is eternally here/you?God ?
It feels personal to me. Personal without boundaries.
If it was by accident, that would probably be a believe, no? If it was external, there would be internal, then we are in duality? :)
Notice the visual field+ thoughts+sensations+sounds - are these known?
Yes, they do feel known. They are just there, though. I don't really know by whom they are known. It feels like mystery. Is it likely to ever know?
Does the knowing is what is known (I mean experiences wich are constantly changing?)
Is the knowing the experience? Is that what you mean? The knowing doesn't appear separate to the experience in my experience.
Or knowing is not influence by any experience? ( life or absent of life experience during the sleep)?
That too.. it's certainly not influenced by experience to me.
Is that to much ? Do you prefer small steps?
Oh, I'm just not sure if I understood all the questions/instructions right.

I feel like anything I type here ends up as concept. Words are often so ambiguous. Yet, not sure about any better way to communicate about this.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Mon Oct 21, 2024 6:55 pm

:) So beautiful, dear Claudia,
Is that knowing/awareness personal, by accident or this is eternally here/you?God ?
It feels personal to me. Personal without boundaries.
If it was by accident, that would probably be a believe, no? If it was external, there would be internal, then we are in duality? :)
Personal Yes, Me Knowing, personal Wholeness, no boundaries YES!
If it was external, there would be internal, then we are in duality? :

external/internal from what?
Boundary? :)

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:27 pm

Hi dear Lubo
If it was external, there would be internal, then we are in duality? :)
external/internal from what?
Boundary? :)
I think I meant that more as a rhetorical question. If you have external, it implies you have internal and then you have opposites. And in non-duality you have not opposites.
There's no boundaries. :) They are made up by the mind.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:26 pm

Hi dear Claudia,
yes, My questions are just pointers where what to look.

Ok.
All cards on the table please :)

Check is there feeling that there is a doer?
a thing wich is separate?
an autonomous agent?
that there is a time?
if i miss something please add

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:08 am

Hi Lubo
All cards on the table please :)
Sure!
Check is there feeling that there is a doer? a thing wich is separate? an autonomous agent?
Yes and no, at times there is still that feeling of identification. it's not entirely gone. it does feel different, let me try to describe it: I feel more the sensations of the body and there's more presence with the energies, the tingling, flow and tugs and sometimes there's identification with it. A doer still appears, but there's less a struggle with it than before.
that there is a time?
I don't think I would have said this is timeless but maybe it's a wording thing... but there's the awareness that anything outside of now is just an illusion and in experience thats kind of clear to. There's still the need to plan and review/reflect things of the past for the practical purpose of living and to be able to do my job. But it has kind of become a different meaning as in it's done more consciously. Outside of that thoughts about past and future are more just thoughts... the "now" has become more the focus.
if i miss something please add
There's that gentle feeling of being save and carried in a way, a feeling of love or friendliness. I may not be through some kind of gate but something is unfolding. There's less doubt at this stage and less struggling when identification comes up. Let's see how it goes.

Live is full of mystery and I am sitting here with another full blown cold but there's joy for this process and curiosity.

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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Lubo » Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:06 am

Hi dear Claudia,
Thank you for the honesty! <3
This is your proces and honesty is a big gift for you!
I am here, with you until the end.
The space is safe.
No time so we don't have to be in a hurry.

Look again.
"Is there a me running the show?" is a great pointer,
to see things in different way,
shift of perception.
This is one and forever no doubts.
There's that gentle feeling of being save and carried in a way, a feeling of love or friendliness
This is beautiful, YES!

Now I want to invite you to put a timer for 5 min.
Invite the sistem to stop fighting for 5 min. and be sure that there is a safe space for exploring (no tigers in the room for example)
and now notice
"Is there a me running the show"?
Everything is here effortlessly, is there a me in what is here?
and everything is known is there a "me" doing that?
Feel the love.

So much love to you,
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Re: Help would be appreciated

Postby Pangurban » Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:08 am

Dear Lubo

Thank you. I think without honesty this process wouldn't work. In the end I'd lie only to myself... I have the experience I have and sometimes it's clear and sometimes not. And that's the truth and probably the way life is. It's an odd place to be in, however.
I will do what you suggest (I've been doing that) and report back.

Lots of love
Claudia


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