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Dear Seekingstill,

That dropping away is what I am looking for.

Sounds like an expectation to me.
How do you know that "dropping away" (whatever that is) is the real deal?
Says who?


Write down the details of one example of your still seeking and label it with Direct Experience.

You could use your recent post:

I am basing it on my reactivity to situations.
I am still very much identified with the world around me.

Write down an example of reactivity in terms of Direct Experience.

Write down an example of identification in terms of Direct Experience.

Love,
Cheryl

Ok, thank you

How do you know that "dropping away" (whatever that is) is the real deal?

I don't

Says who?

highly respected nondual teachers

Write down the details of one example of your still seeking and label it with Direct Experience.
You could use your recent post:
I am basing it on my reactivity to situations.
I am still very much identified with the world around me.
Write down an example of reactivity in terms of Direct Experience.

Write down an example of identification in terms of Direct Experience.

I am currently dealing with a lawsuit, I need to go through the documents so I can discuss with my attorney. I have been delaying this because every time I have time to do it, there is a deep sense of fear and anxiety, so I avoid it.
Intellectually, I understand it is just a dream I am going through, also there is nothing bad happening now so I don't need to fear., but in terms of direct experience, it is a feeling in my chest area that I don't like. The fear and anxiety, it is a manifestation of my egoic self. If there was no "I" left, there would be no fear and anxiety.

Dear Seekingstill,

So good to hear from you!
So sorry to hear about the lawsuit :(

Says who?
highly respected nondual teachers

We could go down this rabbit trail, but let's don't.
Awakening is not a one-size-fits-all. Your experience will definitely be different than anyone else's. It will not be like any of your teachers. Also: Remember that in LU, you are leaving all other teachings behind and simply focusing on LU/Direct Experience.

So how do you know that so-called "dropping away" will be the signature of YOUR awakening?
Do you know better than Life how to live it?

but in terms of direct experience, it is a feeling in my chest area
that I don't like.
The fear and anxiety, it is a manifestation of my egoic self.
If there was no "I" left, there would be no fear and anxiety.

Direct Experience is more than sensation (feeling in chest) and label (i don't like it = thought).

Please continue to label your story in terms of Direct Experience.

I am currently dealing with a lawsuit, --thought
I need to go through the documents -- thought
so I can discuss with my attorney. --thought
I have been delaying this
because every time I have time to do it,
there is a deep sense of fear and anxiety,
so I avoid it.
Intellectually, I understand it is just a dream I am going through,
also there is nothing bad happening now
so I don't need to fear.,

Love,
Cheryl

So how do you know that so-called "dropping away" will be the signature of YOUR awakening?

I don't know. Will I ever know what it is?

Do you know better than Life how to live it?

No

Please continue to label your story in terms of Direct Experience.

I am currently dealing with a lawsuit, --thought
I need to go through the documents -- thought
so I can discuss with my attorney. --thought
I have been delaying this-thougt
because every time I have time to do it,-thought
there is a deep sense of fear and anxiety,-thought
so I avoid it.-thought
Intellectually, I understand it is just a dream I am going through,-thought
also there is nothing bad happening now-thought

All thoughts

Dear Seekingstill,

Well, i'm on the road again, so my responses will not be prompt for the next 10 days.

Will I ever know what it is?

Oh, how the ego wants to know, wants to know.
One teacher told me an enlightened person can never know he is enlightened. If that's true, then no, you will never know.

You do you. You do it "your" way. "It" will happen to you the Seekingstill way. I have no idea how or what.

Some of us take baby steps. Some leap off the edge of a cliff. Some of us go a little way and then plateau for who knows how long. If you have a sense of your learning style, maybe you can guess about your process, but that's only more thoughts. And thoughts are 99% useless.

If Life is living your life, you have to accept Life's terms. You signed a blank document on this lease on Life, and you don't know what's in it. None of us do.

Meanwhile a veritable blizzard (i live in the North Country), a veritable dust storm of thoughts is obscuring your view of this very present moment. Thought thought thought etc. Where's the wisdom in that? What do thoughts know anyway?

There's a lot of deconditioning and reconditioning that goes along with this process. You have perhaps heard of awakened people who are jerks (or worse). Seeing through self view here at LU may do absolutely nothing for anxiety and worry. Fear doesn't drop away until much later in the process. It is not at all likely to drop away during your time here at LU.

So what about the possibility of waking up to the non-existence of self AND still feeling fear and anxiety?

Love,
Cheryl

Where's the wisdom in that? What do thoughts know anyway?

no wisdom. thoughts know nothing

So what about the possibility of waking up to the non-existence of self AND still feeling fear and anxiety?

yes, that possibility exists. but if it is known that there is no self, then shouldn't it also be know that there is no fear and no anxiety since there is no self? WHo is there to experience this fear and anxiety? no one? so does fear and anxiety really exist? THey are "felt", by what? why are they there if they are not real.

Perhaps this is the end of my journey here at this site. I have learned everything I can learn here?
Prior to coming to this site, I learned to witness. Certainly the most valuable lesson I learned here from you is that even the witness does not exist. I need to go beyond the witness. That is a new realization for me. I feel there are more lessons to learn but perhaps I need to seek elsewhere.

Safe travels.

Dear Seekingstill,

Thank you for your patience. I'm finally home :)

You are asking excellent questions for inquiry.

As for fear and anxiety, Fritz Perls, who founded Gestalt therapy, said, "Fear is excitement without the breath." Fear and excitement are almost exactly the same feeling/sensation. So how do you know that your feeling is fear? Maybe it's excitement? Excitement plus a thought?

Fear does not drop away until later in the process.

So here's what i can offer you here at LU:

You are very close to the Final Questions, which i can send to you.

I can refer you to another guide.

Or, since doubt is so strong, and doubt is the next step on the path, i can send you the Aftercare instructions, which have several possibilities for next steps.

Do any of these appeal to you?

Love,
Cheryl

I would like to try another guide, yes, I’m doubtful that my path is at an end. Thank you for all your help

Dear Seekingstill,

There aren't guides who have openings right now.

Here's something you can do today.

I recommend Vince Schubert’s Zoom meet-ups at 6 a.m. Sydney time (Monday in Australia; Sundays for the rest of us). Vince has guided hundreds of people through The Gate and offers this support group for people who are newly through The Gate.

Click here to Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86991485768?p ... 12Um5DQT09
Meeting ID: 869 9148 5768
Passcode: 083035

Love,
Cheryl

I missed this today, I will try next Sunday, is it the same code?

Dear Seekingstill,

Yes. Vince's meeting is always at the same Zoom link.

Meanwhile, i suggest we take a 6-weeks break while you explore Vince and the Awakening Curriculum.

Don't hesitate to write if you have questions.

How does this sound to you?

Love,
Cheryl

Sounds good