Hi Vince
Responding first to your earlier post...
The draining part isn't necessary. (Tiring is ok) Draining happens because of resistance.
You’re absolutely right about this. I see this clearly, when I’m not emotionally invested and resisting something, i get tired but not drained. Good insight.
Which is an opportunity to see that and soften (to allow variation in) ..if you're not too consumed by it. (i think that you're not always)
You’re right, I’m NOT always too consumed, i can observe , but thanks for the reminder to soften, i like that very much! And how it allows variation in, you really have a way with words Vince...
..say that "we got some news that maybe will have shitty consequences"
We don't know the outcome of it yet. So smile when you catch yourself starting on the horror stories.
So true, you’re right, we don’t know the outcome yet. I spoke to my brother about this since he is the business and he had a different potential take on things and i saw how he took an optimistic viewpoint whereas we had gone into fear mode. We have some time, will get some legal advice and no sense worrying, i am choosing to follow your advice that the story will have a good outcome, seems like a better less draining thing to do. And since it happened, there’s nothing that could be changed about that anyway.
all good. Did the rage dissipate when it was seen to be happening ?
Actually, it did now that you mention it, and quickly too!
We tend to ignore these possibilities, and are thus not open to them, when we get consumed by the negative ones.
Another very wise insight Vince, how much we humans tend to spin into the negative and get consumed by them. Negative bias! So, instead, i have taken your advice as i mentioned above, thanks
Regarding my son going off to college, yes there is happiness for him too. Another example of how we spin off into the negative.
Thanks for the reminder too about not wanting my mum to be different, once again, you’re right (I’m going to have to start paying you for your great counseling lol). As she gets older, it has happened that she has got more conditioned by her stories and those of Fox News which she has made her own, so i will just accept this . And yes you’re right about the politics, it’s like you said way back in an earlier post about these times, and perhaps a cleansing, there is a bigger picture where all this chaos is necessary. My story and yours....
Do you really practice being happy about feeling shitty?...do you have any daily rituals you do Vince. Or is it just being present and going with the flow as best as you can?
Hmm, this is hard to answer without giving a wrong impression.
We might need to examine it in more detail, but let's see what happens..
No, i don't practice. i actually can't recall the last time that i felt shitty. (apart from momentary frustrations/anger, that lasts (usually) seconds.
i don't consciously intend to be present. That just happens. ..and neither do i consciously attempt to go with the flow.
The last one is the biggie.
The portal that i went through to awakening was THIS IS IT !
So in the beginning there was the intention to recognize this when habit took me into story land. Now, acceptance is automatic. i just do what is in front of me. (what else can i do?)
Ok, i don’t think i got a wrong impression of your answer. Maybe a person could be in a place, where a daily ritual is necessary i think. To get some momentum going. All the trends toward mindfulness we see happening in the world have a purpose and for where we're at collectively and since we are all so distracted they can be useful. I don’t like the word 'mindful' so much because it seems that mind and thoughts and beliefs and stories etc are a big part of the problem, thus being present to THIS should not be about being more in the mind, more FULL of mind (mindful) , we should be less in mind, the word 'mindless' suits more but then that has a whole different meaning conventionally, but if you really think about it what we say is mindless is really when we’ve gone into mind too much , the whole thing seems to be backwards, anyway, ok, I’ve gone off on a bit of a tangent here but I think you will get where i am coming from. I hope lol...
You say you don’t intend or attempt consciously , it just happens, i get what you are saying because all along you have been telling me every time i ask about trying and doing , not to try, but if it happens celebrate. In your life , this is what it is for you. It’s wonderFULL! What a lovely way to exist...
Ok, the last part of your answer, it’s about acceptance, THIS IS IT, now and here , can’t be changed , is what it is it’s just THIS , HAPPENING!
You say that in the beginning for you there was the intention to recognize when your thoughts were arguing with reality, resisting and taking you into story land, which is of course, the human condition of suffering. This is the advice you give to me about recognizing and smiling or laughing right? And then it becomes a conditioning and acceptance is automatic, and you just deal without for the most part, and not getting caught up in the past or future .
Am i interpreting your answer correctly Vince, or am i off?
What is fascinating though is that within all of this acceptance, you’re also somehow molding reality and creating or intending new stories even while paradoxically accepting them, like magic lol, would you care to get into this more?
Bullshit! Could you really go back to believing in the existence of a separate, independent self ? To not seeing stories when they happen ?
i think that you have been living the lucid dream for so long that you take it all as normal. You don't remember what it was like to be fully asleep.
You’re right again,this last post I’m taking all these quotes from was really a wise one indeed...
I couldn’t go back no, however i still do get trapped and can for periods be on autopilot.
You go on to say living the lucid dream, so .... awakening is like living a lucid dream then?...you’re dreaming but you know you’re dreaming, the dream goes on, you accept it but don’t be fooled by it. But Vince, one of the qualities of literal lucid dreams, which unfortunately i don’t have , is you can mold, change and manipulate it consciously, so this then is related to my previous question asking you about creating better stories almost magically. So I’ve come full circle to that again, interesting . Love this stuff.
i know that you are busy, but we need to debunk this one. Can you find me an example of this please.
No, i am never and not too busy for this inquiry, i will make it such that i am not, there may be moments like Christmas and holidays but for the most part, i can’t be too busy as this is priority for me, i also hope that maybe i could guide eventually and i will make sure i am not too busy for that too, this is too important isn’t it? And it brings joy.
But to answer your question about that we need to debunk this one, and for me to find an example, i want to make sure i understand what you are asking me, i said that it always seems that there is a point in these inquiries including yours, that some sort of shift, even if subtle seems to happen, a slightly different way of looking at the world perhaps, less thought and anxieties, perhaps, and many others . I get that it’s different for others and i am not comparing myself or expecting anything in particular, but it’s like , especially with Ilona, she seems to be able to get when someone has really seen, and i think what i was saying is that could i really say I’ve seen, or like when they ask what was the last thing that out you over? Is this making sense?
One thing i remember reading somewhere in LU that has struck a chord is that of course life won’t look different because looking and being is already happening , it’s real, so that’s still going to be there, the difference is that the extra I, or story, and imaginary doer that is always 'thought' to be there will be gone, or seen through, the extraneous belief in something that wasn’t even real will be way less . Would you say this is correct, and that it makes sense. Yet what’s the thing that’s saying it makes sense right now, this doesn’t exist? AHRRGH, i don’t think i have answered what you wanted me to , have i? We need to revisit this and i have to understand your question more fully in order to answer it .
But , anyway, i think there have been lots of shifts happening here , it’s slow and subtle and that’s just fine, isn’t it?
No, you see it.
You are just not getting the full value of the consequences because you think that you are missing something.
Yes , i think i must be missing something, you’re right, else the seeking would stop .
What do i fear, i don’t really know how to answer this? Maybe it’s the protective mechanism of something imaginary, that’s so bizarre isn’t it, an imaginary self protective mechanism to protect something that’s NOT even THERE? How crazy is that?
My story (at the moment) is that because thoughts trigger more thoughts, the trigger more thoughts with similar characteristics.
This is how a story is built. There is also emotion generated by stories and a lot of our emotions produce chemical states in the body that 'excite' us.
Makes sense, a good story.. i love how you put (at the moment) in brackets implying that this too may change and is impermanent like everything else. Hmmm, again this story would tie back into the question I’m asking you above about creating better stories, no? And it’s agreed that it’s totally tied up in emotions. So the clustering is just another happening, and a mystery perhaps?
If you think about how new words get added to the dictionary, it is because they become common use.
Well, there will have to be a lot more awakened, using new words for them to be added
I look forward to this time and these new words, they’re gonna be great! And maybe less words about self , they have a ton of those don’t there, which is fitting for where we are at collectively. Fascinating!
Whew , well i will stop now as this has been very long, a few hours, wow, you said time goes quickly when you’re busy, so i guess i was busy with this post lol
Take care Vince, thanks for the guidance
Love
Diana
