Help a shift to seeing correctly

[yoyo]

.Is there any link between the sensation and the sight, meaning that the sensation is ‘coming from’ the sight (labelled as hand) or only thoughts and mental constructs link them?

Can you see that both the ‘visual sight’ and the sensation appear simultaneously but ‘separately’, meaning that none of them is coming from the other or contained by the other? So they just appear equally, ‘beside’ each other without any hierarchy or link between them?

also did a previous excersise with bag over head and two holes to look out of at mirror naked.had no clue how to see AE then. Hard to explain seeing separately and at the same time this present excersise.just AE.weird thoughts appearing when feeling toes and foot move then open eyes.like very impersonal.hmmmm.... sitting in tub with water running ,eyes closed,AE sound .open eyes color and sound exactly like sensation color with body parts.

[yoyo]

. Is there any link between the sensation and the sight, meaning that the sensation is ‘coming from’ the sight (labelled as hand) or only thoughts and mental constructs link them?

Can you see that both the ‘visual sight’ and the sensation appear simultaneously but ‘separately’, meaning that none of them is coming from the other or contained by the other? So they just appear equally, ‘beside’ each other without any hierarchy or link between them?

laying in tub eyes closed sensation blurry as to boundryhmmm... No boundry actually.open eyes and clorthoght trys to say thought skin is boundry.hmmmm....after a bit hmmm.....now changing as sensation AE same value as color AE.more looking required
Love allen:)

[forgetmenot]

Dear Allen,

I don’t understand what you are saying here. Could you please explain it to me.

expectation that objects should not be seen as such. only as color. Yes and very confusing to re-read here. will try to proof better.

Just remember, there was no separate individual before this exploration started and there is no separate individual now….so why would objects just be seen as colour? Colour is known and aren’t you the knowing of colour? Aren’t you also the knowing of/as the story, (and stories are known because stories are thoughts) about colour being objects?

What is it exactly (entity/thing) that is seeing?
Do the body’s eyes see?
Can you find anything behind the eyes that are seeing?

. Is a night time dream experience any different to what is considered as being an awake experience of living a life during day time hours, so to speak?

hmmmm... color is the same. thought appears the same .sensation is same.sound is the same.harder to see with taste and smell.hmmmm.... if tastesmell appeared in dream then would be AE.no difference AEis AE only thought would declare otherwise and try to differentiate.in fact the apparent line between dream and waking up out of dream very blurry.hmmmm... no boundry actually .Just thought story saying there is a division.

How is it known that the waking state is different to the sleeping state?
What is it exactly that goes to sleep?

. Is there any link between the sensation and the sight, meaning that the sensation is ‘coming from’ the sight (labelled as hand) or only thoughts and mental constructs link them?
Can you see that both the ‘visual sight’ and the sensation appear simultaneously but ‘separately’, meaning that none of them is coming from the other or contained by the other?
So they just appear equally, ‘beside’ each other without any hierarchy or link between them?

no link between the two.can appear separately and together with no hierarchy .same .

Yes, so now take a deeper LOOK. Is there a difference between experience labelled ‘sight/colour’ and experience labelled ‘sensation’, or are they just experience appearing as colour and sensation?

.Is there any link between the sensation and the sight, meaning that the sensation is ‘coming from’ the sight (labelled as hand) or only thoughts and mental constructs link them?
Can you see that both the ‘visual sight’ and the sensation appear simultaneously but ‘separately’, meaning that none of them is coming from the other or contained by the other? So they just appear equally, ‘beside’ each other without any hierarchy or link between them?

also did a previous excersise with bag over head and two holes to look out of at mirror naked. had no clue how to see AE then. Hard to explain seeing separately and at the same time this present excersise.just AE.weird thoughts appearing when feeling toes and foot move then open eyes.like very impersonal.hmmmm.... sitting in tub with water running ,eyes closed,AE sound .open eyes color and sound exactly like sensation color with body parts.

Take a very careful look at this...

Does experience have a location?
If it does, where, exactly, is it located?

For example: Image of hammer hitting thumb, sensation of pain, thought saying, ""Ouch!!".
Where exactly did all of that happen?
Where was experience located?
Was experience of pain located in the thumb?
Was experience of images located at the thumb and hammer?
Or is experience always "closer" than even the word "here" can convey?
Does anything actually have a location?
How would you know?
What would count as evidence of actual location?

laying in tub eyes closed sensation blurry as to boundryhmmm... No boundry actually.open eyes and clorthoght trys to say thought skin is boundry.hmmmm....after a bit hmmm.....now changing as sensation AE same value as color AE.more looking required

Nice noticing how thought says that the skin is a boundary!

Is there an inside or an outside of the body?
If there is an inside: inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside: the outside of what exactly?

Love, Kay
xx

[yoyo]

. What is it exactly (entity/thing) that is seeing?
Do the body’s eyes see?
Can you find anything behind the eyes that are seeing?

seeingcolor happens.just a thought appears claiming entity. So seeingcolor happening and thoughts happening.entity/thing is a thought appearing as is remembering a thought.no eyes r a story. seeing happens without eyes(like dream or thought image) wait image is... crap confused.Seeing color happens.dream and thought image same thing only thoughtappearing.hard one last question.eyes r thought appearing as AE.hmmm....cant verify eyes as AE

[yoyo]

. How is it known that the waking state is different to the sleeping state?
What is it exactly that goes to sleep?

no difference cant be known as different inAE.crap there is really no diff.what would know that as it appears.only a thought story appearingto claim diff.
Sleep is a story.cant be known only a thought arising in AE

[yoyo]

. Does experience have a location?
If it does, where, exactly, is it located?

crap crap location is a thought story. Still looking.without labels ,cant find a location exactly.even if i say body i cant find exactly where.no no body colorthoughtimage

[yoyo]

Where exactly did all of that happen?
Where was experience located?
Was experience of pain located in the thumb?
Was experience of images located at the thumb and hammer?
Or is experience always "closer" than even the word "here" can convey?
Does anything actually have a location?
How would you know?
What would count as evidence of actual location?.

want to say awareness in head.and that is a story.thumb is color.pain is sensation appearingperiod as AE crap crap whole thing is thoughtcolorsensationsound.no actual location.image of throbbing pain in thumb hmmm....thoughtsensation is all maybe color AE. No. experience of images just appearing.experience absolutly it. crazy yes emediate .getting harder to believe in denial thoughts appearing.believed by what exactly hmmm......
No actual location and cant" know "if no location exists as AE

[yoyo]

Where exactly did all of that happen?
Where was experience located?
Was experience of pain located in the thumb?
Was experience of images located at the thumb and hammer?
Or is experience always "closer" than even the word "here" can convey?
Does anything actually have a location?
How would you know?
What would count as evidence of actual location?.

want to say awareness in head.and that is a story.thumb is color.pain is sensation appearingperiod as AE crap crap whole thing is thoughtcolorsensationsound.no actual location.image of throbbing pain in thumb hmmm....thoughtsensation is all maybe color AE. No. experience of images just appearing.experience absolutly it. crazy yes emediate .getting harder to believe in denial thoughts appearing.believed by what exactly hmmm......
No actual location and cant" know "if no location exists as AE

[yoyo]

. Is there an inside or an outside of the body?
If there is an inside: inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside: the outside of what exactly?

inside of body is a thought.outside of bodyis crap body is colorthoughtimage.sensation AE color is AE.body is thought story.seems very persistant thought.inside /outside is story
Thnx again kay
Love allen

[forgetmenot]

Hey Allen,

Another terrific post - thank you!

. What is it exactly (entity/thing) that is seeing?
Do the body’s eyes see?
Can you find anything behind the eyes that are seeing?

seeingcolor happens.just a thought appears claiming entity. So seeingcolor happening and thoughts happening.entity/thing is a thought appearing as is remembering a thought.no eyes r a story. seeing happens without eyes(like dream or thought image) wait image is... crap confused.Seeing color happens.dream and thought image same thing only thoughtappearing.hard one last question.eyes r thought appearing as AE.hmmm....cant verify eyes as AE

Yes, eyes are a thought story! It is believed that ‘visual sight’ and ‘mental images’ are coming from the eyes, because when it's investigated the attention automatically goes to the sensation 'of the eyes', and at the same time the image 'of the eyes' appear with it.

So another SENSE of self is linked to the sensation 'of the eyes'.

What are the eyes in the actual experience?
A sensation + a mental image, right?

Can sight come from a sensation?
Can sight come from an image (of the eyes)?

Can a 'mental image' come from a sensation?
Can a 'mental image' come from another mental image (of the eyes)?

. How is it known that the waking state is different to the sleeping state?
What is it exactly that goes to sleep?

no difference cant be known as different inAE.crap there is really no diff.what would know that as it appears.only a thought story appearingto claim diff.
Sleep is a story.cant be known only a thought arising in AE

Yes, so the story ABOUT sleep is known, but there is no one/no thing that is going to sleep or sleeping! It is only thought that says that a period of time went by when sleeping!
What evidence is there that what is called ‘darkness’ (sleeping) happens for a period of time?

Silence is no different to sound. Only thought says some 'thing' isn't there. Darkness is just a colour, like any other, no different from light. Thought labels darkness as the absence of some 'thing' but it is no less knowingknown than light is. Empty space is no different to solid matter, it is still a some 'thing', not a lack of some 'thing'. What an illusion, that something could be missing, that something could be empty, that experience is never aware!

. Does experience have a location?
If it does, where, exactly, is it located?

crap crap location is a thought story. Still looking.without labels ,cant find a location exactly.even if i say body i cant find exactly where.no no body colorthoughtimage

Yes! Can colour feel a sensation? Is colour aware of anything? Does colour know anything about a location? Does sensation know anything about a location?

Thought labels ‘colours’, ‘sensations’ etc (cold/hot/pressure etc) as a body - but no actual body is present. Thought does this with *everything* that seems to exist and to create the 'person in the world' illusion.



Notice what is actually present in this image. Thought says it's a cartoon character called Bart Simpson, but all that's *actually* there is yellow, red, blue, white, black. There is *no* Bart present in the image at all.

Can you see that Bart is 100% just a story? The body is a story in the same way.
Also notice that the thing which thought claims is your body doesn't even have a head. Can you find a head?

Where exactly did all of that happen?
Where was experience located?
Was experience of pain located in the thumb?
Was experience of images located at the thumb and hammer?
Or is experience always "closer" than even the word "here" can convey?
Does anything actually have a location?
How would you know?
What would count as evidence of actual location?.

want to say awareness in head. and that is a story. thumb is color. pain is sensation appearing period as AE crap crap whole thing is thoughtcolorsensationsound. no actual location. image of throbbing pain in thumb hmmm....thoughtsensation is all maybe color AE. No. experience of images just appearing.experience absolutly it. crazy yes emediate .getting harder to believe in denial thoughts appearing. believed by what exactly hmmm......
No actual location and cant" know "if no location exists as AE

Yes, exactly! Nice LOOKING!

What is the difference between ‘believing’ and ‘not believing’?

I can’t remember if I have given you this exercise or not! But it won’t do any harm to do it again if I have! 

It is generally believed that thoughts are coming from the head somewhere around the forehead. When we try to trace back the origin of a thought, it is often believed that it's coming from the forehead, because the attention automatically goes to the sensation of the forehead. Investigate this carefully as often as you can throughout the day.

What is the forehead in the actual experience?
A sensation + a mental image (of a forehead), right?

So, can a thought come from a sensation?
Can a thought come from a mental image?

Have a very deep look here... the forehead is one of the 'residence' of the SENSE of self. Or rather say, the sensation that is labelled as forehead is believed to be one of the location of the sense of self.

. Is there an inside or an outside of the body?
If there is an inside: inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside: the outside of what exactly?

inside of body is a thought.outside of bodyis crap body is colorthoughtimage.sensation AE color is AE.body is thought story.seems very persistant thought.inside /outside is story

Yes…Body is a thought story….nice LOOKING!
And yes, the story ABOUT the body seems to be very persistent, and it is a story that will seemingly remain persistent! :) Is there an author of thought?

Love, Kay
xx

[yoyo]

. Can sight come from a sensation?
Can sight come from an image (of the eyes)?

Can a 'mental image' come from a sensation?
Can a 'mental image' come from another mental image (of the eyes)?

site and color not separate.mutually happening as each other.so no cant come from sensation .sensation is AE.image is thought and cant do anything.
Mental image is AE of thought.no thought can only appear as AE cant create anything.

[yoyo]

. What evidence is there that what is called ‘darkness’ (sleeping) happens for a period of time?

none what so ever literally zero.only a thought story.cant even know "nothing" hmmm....slippery,absencse of AE hmmmm......AE always is,so cant be absent.

[yoyo]

. What evidence is there that what is called ‘darkness’ (sleeping) happens for a period of time?

nothing and AE same.AE cant be without a(nothing) for it to appear hmmm... bad expression. ur explanation clearer.now see as one thing and thought splitting up so not separate.actually AE and "awareness" mutually arising as sameness
Answer more tomorrow sleepy now
Love Allen-:))

[yoyo]

. Can you see that Bart is 100% just a story? The body is a story in the same way.
Also notice that the thing which thought claims is your body doesn't even have a head. Can you find a head?

Yep 100% story.no head. snsation and story of reflection

[yoyo]

. What is the difference between ‘believing’ and ‘not believing’?

believing % story not believing is story also but closer to truth either look and see or not. AE only tru and verifyable