The Gate

Yes! Again, I can see it. I can think for hours not to smoke and after a while, at the same time I can see my hand lighting a cigarette.

So, to smoke or not is just a thought, it’s just another impulse. And the decision to quit or not, will come (or not) as any other decision. By its own.

So, this is a big fat prove that there is no free will at all. So, what is going on? Are we moved to act at any direction totally by luck? Are we playing this game been moved by something else, or everything that is unfolding is just an accident?

I am sitting here thinking these thoughts, knowing that I have totally no control over life. On one hand seems funny, on the other hand is like life losing any meaning at all.

Can you please also answer to my previous question?

Snadra wrote: Allowing the realization that experience is as it is. Good and bad. Presence or confusion. Anxiety or happiness. All included. The peace of non resisting.

NoLabel wrote: If there is none to resist, then who/what is allowing the realization that experience is as it is? I mean if there is no self, who will make the choice to allow the realization that experience is as it is?

Yes! Again, I can see it. I can think for hours not to smoke and after a while, at the same time I can see my hand lighting a cigarette.

So, to smoke or not is just a thought, it’s just another impulse. And the decision to quit or not, will come (or not) as any other decision. By its own.

Yes. If you were a separate self, wouldn't you will yourself to stop smoking when you wanted?

I am sitting here thinking these thoughts, knowing that I have totally no control over life. On one hand seems funny, on the other hand is like life losing any meaning at all.

Could it be that life only has the meaning you think it has? Why would life need a meaning to be life?

If there is none to resist, then who/what is allowing the realization that experience is as it is? I mean if there is no self, who will make the choice to allow the realization that experience is as it is?

It is not a choice! You look and you realize you are seeing life as it is. Life is, a self isn't. How simpler could it be?

Hug!

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Ok Sandra! Thanks a lot!!
For now I can tell you that things are getting simpler and simpler (for now) hehhehehe

See you after the site would be restored

Hug!

Looking forward to reading your adventures :)
Have a wonderful weekend!

Hi Sandra!

Just a quick message. I have a problem with my internet connection. I will tell you about my adventures as soon as possible it would be restored. :)

All good for now!
big hug!

Okay, thank you for letting me know. Big hug :)

Hi Sandra!

Back again. A few days now I am about to write to you but I don’t know what to say exactly. Hehehehe.
How are you? How is life going?

I don’t know If I can tell for sure that I have seen crystal clear that there is no self. I can tell this though: “Life is Beautiful!”

I can say with much confidence that thoughts are not mine. I can see clear that they just appear and disappear from nowhere. But when I “try” to look in more depth who/what is looking, there is still a sense of a self.
But even with this slight piece of self still running life has become again more light and vivid.

Hug!
NoLabel

Hi NoLabel!

But even with this slight piece of self still running life has become again more light and vivid.

Can you explain why you're saying a sense of being a self is a slight piece of self?

Thanks!

Can you explain why you're saying a sense of being a self is a slight piece of self?

Hmmm… I mean that most of the time I don’t really think and analyze. I just live life as it is. And it goes great. But sometimes I find identification with the “I”. And I have to go back and think: “Is any of these thoughts or feelings came from a “you”? Did you find a “you” deciding for any of these? The answer is no of course. And then I can slowly de attached of the habit of the “I”.
So, in these sense I mean “there is still a small piece of self”.

But reading again your post I understand what you mean. A sense of being a self is just another sense. F@#k it’s so simple and still so tricky.

How this “I’ was created on the first place? I think the answer is society. It is sooo deep routed inside!!
Another tricky part is this: I was asking who/what makes all these realizations? Many people would say that this is what you are. You are the realization. But I can understand that realization it is just another function of thoughts. Writing all these now I feel realizations are like new updates/upgrades just happening to this functional system.

What you're writing seems like the natural adjustment that people go through after crossing the gate. Do you think that what you're experiencing should or could be different?
And would you say you have crossed the gate?
Do you see experimentally that there is no you?
Or do you think a you exists and you haven't found it yet?

Do you think that what you're experiencing should or could be different?

Nope! Lately I don’t have this need any more. I feel like everything is happening is the only thing that could happen now.

And would you say you have crossed the gate?

I really have no idea. If I have crossed it the transition/passage was so slow and subtle that I really haven’t realized any big difference. Since now there was never something “WOW I have crossed the gate!”

Do you see experimentally that there is no you?

I don’t get this sentence. What do you mean experimentally? If you mean that I have realized there is no controller and I still experiment to live life in this way.. hmm yeah, you could say this. It is like I have the picture now and I experimenting living life with this new realization.

Or do you think a you exists and you haven't found it yet?

No, not at all! I was never looking to find a Me. I was trying to understand what was this that has put me out of here and now, and all the clues were showing that the thing that was keeping me out of here/now was this “I”, that many cultures, books, religions, spiritual crap etc. were talking about. From this inquiry I can say that yes, it’s not about to try to not get identified with the “I”, its about to see that there is no “I” at all.
Hmmm maybe I have crossed it :) but there is really no gate to cross right?

Ps: you know that every time is different. There are times that if I had your phone I would call you and tell you “No, there is no I at all”. But you know experience is changing so fast and the next day you are not in this mood, so you still experiencing this new experience that is not so vivid like yesterday, so you make a step back and try to understand what has change. But I guess the only thing that has change is life, as always.

That's such a nice post, NoLabel, thank you.

Have a go with these questions, will you:

Is anyone separate from thoughts?

Are you a witness of all experiences including the feeling of self?

You have wrote "No, there is no I at all." Would you say that at present there is an understanding that existence is real and only the imagined self is unreal?

Is anyone separate from thoughts?

No, just thought thinking thoughts, thoughts reacting to other thoughts, feelings etc.

Are you a witness of all experiences including the feeling of self?

hmmm, I could say I am but witnessing is just happening too. This thought came and I wrote the above: I can choose to be a witness. I can choose to focus and observe to what is going on here/now. But this is also another thought. Another realization (a thought comes “I can/should observe right now”. After this thought, observation is happening. Observation/witnessing means to have a look of what is going on (in and out of the body). We have used to think that it is the Me that observes…but there is no one that observes. Observation just happening. And the thought “I can/should observe right now” it is just another thought appeared while reading your post saying “witnessing”.

Would you say that at present there is an understanding that existence is real and only the imagined self is unreal?

Yes, existence is real and the self it is just another word, another thought referring to this existence. But the existence has nobody to rule itself. Doesn’t need to. Just acting and reacting to the whole.
The eyes reading all these, the mind calculating all the data and creating other thoughts to all the above. I could analyze it more and more. But all these are just thoughts. I catch this “myself” many times to be attached to these thoughts and creating the idea “that I have created those thoughts”. But I can really see that all these thoughts and scenarios just came up and then sentences were created to express it and typed it down.

It’s kinda crazy all this as simple as it is. The realization of all these is coming more and more clear but many times there is still the need for more analysis and more depth to these all.

Questions: Is a realization another thought? I am asking because the realization that there is no Me thinking/acting has established something. It has established that there is no me to have any control over life. But if this realization it is just another thought, why I should take it seriously? Hehehhe Sorry if that doesn’t make sense…

Are thoughts/scenarios etc (true or false) real? Because we are saying that the thought of the “I” it is just a thought that it can’t be true. ….. blab la bla… Is any thought real?
I still find some attachment to the “I” from time to time. But If I know that the attachment with the “I” it is just another thought/scenario… is any wrong with this?
I could make billions of questions right now but I think I should stop here for now 

Hi NoLabel!

I have asked the other guides to read this conversation. We think you're ready to move on and join our aftercare groups, where you can ask questions and share your experiences and be guided further if you want too.

Since you see the self is an illusion, it's a good idea for you to have access to a broader range of persons that went through this process. This topic will remain open and you can write here if you want to talk with me about something or you can send me a PM anytime. Let me know what you think about this.

Hug!