The Gate

Let's see if there is still the need to look at something more.

Take your time with the questions below and, as always, answer by looking at your experience:

Have you been able to find, a ‘self’ that is the ‘experiencer’?

No.

Or a self that is the doer, or can control what happens?

No.

Or a self that ‘makes’ decisions?

No.

Or a self who ‘does the thinking’?

No.

Are the five body senses made to arise or experienced by this ‘self’?

No.

Is there a self ‘in here’ which is separate from the world and others ‘out there’?

No.

Is there doubt or unclarity that in all these cases the ‘self’ is nothing other than a mental fabrication?

No.

Let me know if one or more of these questions needs further looking.

Here are no questions by now and i do not want to moan about some thoughts labeled with an i today passed through. Or about surprising, impressing answers happened to me. If you think that this is worrying after feeling the seamless we should look for that, but my impression is that it should be normal life that happens.

Thank you for guiding, Canfora.
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Those are a lot of "no"! Nice! Thank you for having a look.

Here are no questions by now and i do not want to moan about some thoughts labeled with an i today passed through. Or about surprising, impressing answers happened to me. If you think that this is worrying after feeling the seamless we should look for that, but my impression is that it should be normal life that happens.

Share what is going on, it is ok and I would like to know about it.
Is it fear? Is it resistance? Is this different than what you have expected?

Thank you for guiding, Canfora.

You're welcome, it's a pleasure, Okay.

Share what is going on, it is ok and I would like to know about it.
Is it fear? Is it resistance? Is this different than what you have expected?

Fear, resistance, looking different for a while. It is all the limitless one.

Good morning, Okay.

Do you think things could be different than they are? Is this moment ok as it is?

What can you see going on? What is real right now? Please describe what is seen.

Good morning, Okay.

Good morning Canfora.
you read that sometimes there is
"fear, resistance, (things) looking different for a while. It is all the limitless one."

Do you think things could be different than they are?

Shure. Thoughts happen, decisions happen, action happens and changes happen.

Is this moment ok as it is?

Probing questions happen, being busy. When it´s hurting thoughts show up to change this.

What can you see going on? What is real right now? Please describe what is seen.

You ´ve tried to trigger an i for explanation in all of these questions and it feels not good to get this as an emotion to work now.

The first try to change this not-good-feeling is answering as usual.

Real is a word, not more, an unspoken thinking about "stability, separation, including me/i".

But when the personal triggers have been seperated from these questions to solve the probing question in a more comfortable way the rest is: "See going on. What real now. What is."

Feels good. This is the answer for now.

Okay, just to be sure of what is going on... do you see that there is no separate self in reality? Is this 100% true?
Even if doubts and expectations appear, can you see the illusion, any time looking happens?

Do you feel the need to look a little more, or some time to let things settle in? Or would you like to answer LU 6 standard questions?

Okay, just to be sure of what is going on... do you see that there is no separate self in reality? Is this 100% true?

The question is questionable as you know, it incudes "i" and "i-have-to-be-shure" so that every answer could lead somebody new here into a wrong direction only because the matter that these words happened in the question.
So the answer is long and a bit winding...

Here it was seen that i is an illusion by being aware to breaks in approaching thoughts containing a misleading "identity i". It was seen that there were long times without this. Searching by looking for several cases lead to the conclusion that "i" is a fake because living beings are present every time in difference to sights.
But here is no sense for feeling this in every second or every minute, it´s a must here to be aware for thoughts rising up and pass by.

Hearing or reading words or thoughts often have triggers like "i", "you", "real" and more who contain ideas of seperate selfes and dividing. Being busy or not aware could cause unhappy feelings when this words appear. It can cause thoughts containing ideas about "i" and "you" or thoughts who are labeled as an i.
This did happen before feeling the seamless and also after this. Yesterday it happened hard and short by leaving an unhappy feeling that needed attention for. Today it was not so hard but there were many thoughts about this.
When writing it is a similar tension, it is hard work close to the border of feeling a seperate i.

Even if doubts and expectations appear, can you see the illusion, any time looking happens?

No. Here is no sense for feeling the illusion. I could breathe and be aware what happens and then the illusion is visible but not in sight. I can be aware for what happens when looking inside and outside with the same result. I can touch something and be aware what happens and feel the seamless but it is uncertain here if feeling the seamless is real, even if i like it. The first day feeling it war overwhelming, yes.

But no. When there is not the right tension to be aware here is no sense for the seamless. I met people who looked like they have more tension and awareness every time, but this could be a biased thinking. If you think that questioning here could lead into more awareness we should go on, otherwise PM for further training methods were fine.

Do you feel the need to look a little more, or some time to let things settle in? Or would you like to answer LU 6 standard questions?

I dont know, life is uncertain. I know that thoughts and feelings will appear and often they contain misleading ideas. I have no clue how to regret this ideas automaticly and i am uncertain if this would be a good idea, to be boxed in an automated idea of no-i. I don´t want to stay here covered by ideas and questions only because life is unsafe. One thing more: There is the lingering matter that thoughts and feelings come from somewhere and this could be the next matter to explore, but it looks like this would go beyond the scope of LU.

Standart questions are welcome if you agree, Canfora.

My english is very basic and mistakes happenend like: "PM for further training methods were fine." Please delete this, it was ment that PM are appreciated, it would be nice if you share training methods for awareness with me.

Thank you for your honesty, Okay.

Hearing or reading words or thoughts often have triggers like "i", "you", "real" and more who contain ideas of seperate selfes and dividing. Being busy or not aware could cause unhappy feelings when this words appear. It can cause thoughts containing ideas about "i" and "you" or thoughts who are labeled as an i.

Are you saying that the identification with personal pronouns, the use of normal language, causes you suffering?

I know that thoughts and feelings will appear and often they contain misleading ideas.

Yes, that is why you are asked to look at your experience instead of believing the thoughts.

I have no clue how to regret this ideas automaticly and i am uncertain if this would be a good idea, to be boxed in an automated idea of no-i. I don´t want to stay here covered by ideas and questions only because life is unsafe.

Do you mean that you don't know if, at the moment, when you say that the I is an illusion, you are just saying that because it is a new belief?

One thing more: There is the lingering matter that thoughts and feelings come from somewhere and this could be the next matter to explore, but it looks like this would go beyond the scope of LU.

No, this is in the scope of LU. We can look at this.

Standart questions are welcome if you agree, Canfora.

You're the one that needs to be sure about this, Okay. What I think doesn't matter. We can keep looking, if that is ok with you.

My english is very basic and mistakes happenend like: "PM for further training methods were fine."

:) I use the google translate every time I write a post.
No, no PM's are needed. Let's just keep going.

I would like to know why do you think training is needed. What are you expecting to change?

Hi again,

Are you saying that the identification with personal pronouns, the use of normal language, causes you suffering?

Not really. :) It is okay sitting here and watching or touching something or listening to unimportant things and it is easy to enjoy about the seamless then. But when sophisticated things happen like modifying a satellite dish by constructing, adapting, testing and finetuning with not dedicated parts there is an overflow in my mind when thinking about the LU-questions simulaniously. Only in cases like this when much concentration to the work is needed simultaniously thinking coud cause stress or drama. It is a new feeling here to live with the seamless, the limitless one and sometimes there is fear to fall in seperation again that never ends (yes, drama-thinking, good to look for :))

Do you mean that you don't know if, at the moment, when you say that the I is an illusion, you are just saying that because it is a new belief?

No. But writing in a strange language is sophisticated and then here is overflow about no-i, then here is no remembering to the way we looked for the absence of an i. In moments like this it looks like an uncertain idea.

(The source of thoughts) ... this is in the scope of LU. We can look at this.

So let´s try if we can find out more than "outside of our senses/possibilities" or a generalisation like "the limitless one".

I use the google translate

A good thing, i´ve overlooked it by using dict.cc

I would like to know why do you think training is needed. What are you expecting to change?

Yes. There were films and books about monks sitting in their monastery for years doing nothing but being aware and getting hurted by doing this and/or by somebody there. I was working instead so there is an idea about having missed basic lessons. Gee, writing this makes me smile.
Here is the remembering about a belief that i´ve met people being more concentrated, awaked and in a very good looking position. An irrelevant sight from outside, maybe. But without attention to these things and thoughts about doing something in this direction the limitless one would remain unseen here.

Gn8

The source of thoughts ...

Yes. Answers appeared quite fast like "depending on generations before, depending on things happened before, depending on more than i". Other answers appeared about "what happens to things when watching them" oder "space, time and the point of view". So it looks good to answer the final questions right now:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No, it is clear that this is an illusion.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

Parents showed how to use the words i, you, here and there to satisfy wantings. Unspoken it happened to our mind that an also possible seamless sight disappeared as we were young children. It is possible to get the seamless sight back but then it shows that identifications as before were misleading.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It is good to see that there are no borders when watching inside the body or outside. It was a relief to see that. Some things look to be easyer like looking for answers and it is easyer to be calm when in the near of upset people.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

The process was long and there were many thoughts and questions picking bricks in the wall. Thanks to Damon Kamda and Tompi to make this possible, to Joram for picking and especially to Canfora for that all. Last pushing bits were a video from mooji https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBAGHDtPEtQ in the time between the guides followed by the question from canfora "do you see inside and outside".

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How
does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

These terms was interpreted before include an "i" as the source for what happens. Now it is seen that e. g. decisions depend on more than i. Things about to decide are made long time before, depend on what is available now, needs of the body and more. Intention: Thoughts, not controlled by an i. Free will: Thoughts including the guess of an i, disregarding that only a few available thoughts lead to the decition. Choice is thinking about decisions. But not all possibilities are available at now, here and not all possible thinking about choosing. Control is a wishful thinking about an i and that everything works as wanted. Life makes things happen, it works by itself. I is not responsible for something but the whole person is more than their (visible) parts or thinkings and so responsibility is ok for me but not so important as before.

6) Anything to add?

Thank you for patience and kindness

Hi Okay,

I'm glad to see that, by looking at your experience, you can figure out on your own what is happening and move on.

In question 5,

I is not responsible for something but the whole person is more than their (visible) parts or thinkings

What do you mean with "the whole person is more than their (visible) parts or thinkings"?
What is this "whole person"?

Can you give some examples from your experience, please?

Hi Canfora.

today cleaning happened. No special responsibility appeared, there was no risking the body for rescueing or taking disadvantages for saving nature.

If an accident appears people run there and one or more of them call for an ambulance or pull people out of crashed cars even if there is traffic on a highway. Other people hang around.

Responsible people acting as a special, more active part of the limitless even if they know about or not. They act as more as a single, visible body. Acting happens, taking responsibility happens.

Thanks Okay. I'm going to ask other guides to read our conversation and see if they want to ask you something. That can take some time.

Okay, some questions from other guide, about your last post:

In actual experience what is responsible? This body? An image? A sensation? What?

If you're not responsible for what happens then how can 'responsible people' experience 'being responsible'?