The Gate

Pat, what is left ? What is still missing ?
What remaining expectations exist ?

love

vince

what is left

just a lot of egoic stuff built up over the life of this character, when plays out it does not take very long to see it for what it is and the letting go of it or just the acknowledgment of the process

What is still missing

hmm! not sure if there is anything missing or could be missing , there is a resonating feeling that maybe it has been just a glimpse and a expectation way back on the mind thoughts / story that a deeper seeing can occur
a feeling of fear of thoughts arising after listening to Steven Norquist not wanting to not be able to communicate with my son and that a really radical shift could happen where this persona cannot communicate with loved ones normally.
but a sort of knowing that it can only unfold as it is and that all is as it can only be, he he! took the dammed blue pill and not the red pill can't unsee the truth now

What remaining expectations exist

there is still the talking to myself and only later seeing what is happening. expectations probably a feeling of becoming less and less caught up in this illusion (the world) and then thoughts arising there can't be any expectations as there is no one to have expectations, except the false me that is still showing up which is necessary to continue this life and it is quite ok for Patrick to be here with the knowing he is just a story

hoe you had a wonderful Birthday Vince
love Pat

Good morning Pat, Yes, had a good birthday. Thanks.

just a lot of egoic stuff built up over the life of this character, when plays out it does not take very long to see it for what it is and the letting go of it or just the acknowledgment of the process

Yes, we accumulate a lot of detail over a lifetime of building the story of me. What is happening is perfect. It may seem as if it will take forever, and you won't actually drop all of it anyway. Some is quite useful. In fact it would be impossible to negotiate daily life without the useful stuff. It is only that, which results in suffering that we want to vanish. Now there is a bit of a trap here. It would be easy to say that because a certain story brings on good feelings, it should be kept. For those stories, i have a technique where i remind myself that it might or might not eventuate, and that although the range of probabilities is (may be) limited, the range of possibilities is endless. In other words "enjoy the story, just remember that anything could happen."

story that a deeper seeing can occur

..see above.

where this persona cannot communicate with loved ones normally.

This won't be a problem. Normality will resume. It will be different, improved. Although you will recognize when people are talking from a story, compassion will lead you to communicate on a better level. A wisdom (that was always there) will emerge. You may already notice moments of this ?

there can't be any expectations as there is no one to have expectations,

Hmm, shitty logic. Now get this; Everything that happened in the past, that was attributed to an actual Self, still happened. Just because it is SEEn that it wasn't done by the illusion, doesn't mean that it didn't happen. To impute a single cause on anything is simplistic. (eg. I did it) Things arise (including expectations) because the conditions required, happened.
But to say that those conditions 'caused' it to happen is not quite right. Cause is just a useful concept. All of those conditions being present and aligned, doesn't create anything actual. That happening is just another condition on the way to another happening. Nothing has essence in a discrete way. Everything is dependent on everything else. Independence is another illusion.

love

vince

remember that anything could happen."

yes this dawning and a feeling that all will be ok and even if it is not all ok that is how it will play out

yes this is seen have a friend that has started meditation but is not ready to face no self a feeling of it is ok no need to show just offer the invitation and let it be

To impute a single cause on anything is simplistic.

yep I see this

Independence is another illusion.

true independence would affirm a self

there is still thought sort of suppressed that is saying hmm! seeing is close or may have happened and secretly hoping for some sort of poww!!! then a another thought aha haven't quite seen it yet

love Pat

thanks Vince

true independence...

Is this anything other than concept ?
How is there anything, or anybody, that is not dependent on the conditions that brought about and sustains (apparent) existence ?
How is any one of those conditions not dependent on the conditions that brought about and sustains its' existence.
Is there any existence that is truly independent ?
Is it possible that a microbe that came and went 50,000 years ago, actually played a part in circumstances, as they are now ?

love

vince

Is this anything other than concept ?

absolutely true all thought is concept and this is seen usually later when looking

How is there anything, or anybody, that is not dependent on the conditions that brought about and sustains (apparent) existence ?
How is any one of those conditions not dependent on the conditions that brought about and sustains its' existence.
Is there any existence that is truly independent ?

yep there can't be anything that is independant as that would ratify a separate me or I so it to is just a concept

Is it possible that a microbe that came and went 50,000 years ago, actually played a part in circumstances, as they are now ?

yes as that microbe is also consciousness, time being relative to our present consciousness relatively is just part of the story

enjoy the cup day
love Pat

Pat, have another go at these questions. Don't refer to your earlier answers. Just answer from your current experiencing.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) "Describe your experience of the illusion of separate self, how it arises/disappears. Is that process always the same, or does it vary, and if so, how?"

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

love

vince

separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

only as a story which rises in thoughts and is seen now as just that a self desparate to hold on to being here when looking at the me taking responsibility for things the aha this is happening after the fact and is not necessary except for the me to validate itsself

illusion of separate self, how it arises/disappears. Is that process always the same, or does it vary, and if so, how?"

as above it arises mostly after the fact and always in the thought stream and tries to validate itself in different ways when it is seen through,

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

had a situation at work the boss calling me in for a chat, and saying I am not happy with your performance it seems that you are not here, he he! I run a wedding reception center and am the only chef so I have my ipod with earphones on listen adya and others so will burst out laughing now and again must be worrying for them he he! probably think I am going off my rocker

pushed you over, made you look?

just seeing the stories being played out by people and seeing the pointlessness of all the things humanity holds so close

Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

decision is just a reaction happening in daily life with the ego now and again trying to say I did that or made that decision but quickly seen for what is is

intention, hmm! again thoughts arise with intention to do or act but again this is seen as happening after the fact and that they arise with no doer

free will just an illusion

choice and control there just happening choice and control are really just scenes being acted out

I WILL ANSWER THE LAST QUESTION LATER HAVE TO LEAVE
Love Pat

What makes things happen?

things are just happening and a freedom seeing it is the only way it could be

How does it work?

things happen as natural flow of life no doer even when the I tries to take credit after the fact

What are you responsible for?

there is no individual who is responsible however this does not mean that actions taken by this body won't have

consequences

Give examples from experience.

believing thoughts and seeing that when they are given attention and believed result in in suffering and seeing them as part of the the story a feeling of freeing of laughter in seeing that all is just as it could be and a release from the usual cycle of victimhood this is the feeling from the altications at work lately

Anything to add?

just a cautiousness in if there is a genuine seeing or if it is just a glimpse

love Pat

find the listening to
Eckhart Tolle, Tony Parsons and Jed falling away still a energy with Adya Shanti also like Katie Byron 4 questions resonates what you keep prompting me with
love Pat

just a cautiousness in if there is a genuine seeing or if it is just a glimpse

Usually doubt thoughts appear a little later, but now is as good a time as any to consider them.
This one is easy to put to rest (each time it appears). We simply LOOK again. Is there a discrete Self anywhere ? Has there ever been one ?
The doubt thoughts... are they just thoughts ?
Do they have any more credibility than any other thought ?
The most likely 'purpose' of doubt thoughts is to take you back into the familiar, where it is safe.
What is already conditioned, likes reinforcement. When that doesn't happen, there is discomfort. Unease. Same as when we don't complete a conditioned reflex. Too much of this and that neuronal pathway will atrophy.
Pat, do you SEE that the Self is nothing but a story ?

love

vince

'purpose' of doubt thoughts is to take you back into the familiar, where it is safe.

yes this is what is happening so simple when pointed out

do you SEE that the Self is nothing but a story ?

absolutely

what is being noticed is when the self follows a story of the mind of for example at work the boss being unjustified with the way the Patrick personality is being treated a story arising and the I validating it, then very quickly the awareness of the story of I trying to feed and build on this, laughter and letting this go without any trying to push or resist it just a dissolving of the story
love Pat

Good morning Pat, we have a formality where it is needed that 3 other guides confirm that you have passed through the gateless gate. This has been done, and now you will be invited to join a Facebook group where ' 'gatecrashers' support each other. (and 'deepening' happens)
There are many new 'skills' to be considered as you are entering a whole new world now.
Anyway, lots of this kind of processing happens in these groups

Here is a small doc worth reading here; http://liberationunleashed.com/PDF/Awakened.pdf
..and i am available on FB message (or email if you prefer)

Love

vince