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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby jessica07 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:11 pm

Hi Sarah,
When you feel separate and not part of what is – look and see if you really are – look behind the story and the thoughts – especially thoughts!
Still working on this. :) Right now it only seems to happen under optimal conditions, being at home, well-rested, relaxing, driving the car, etc. But if I am really not separate from everything that is, then maybe it can happen anytime.

Also thoughts are still talking about whether or not they can give up the illusion of control. I'm sure they can but they are a bit stubborn.

No other noticing seemed to happen today.

Have a good evening. Love, -Jessica XXX

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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby Sarah7 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:51 pm

Hi Jessica
Right now it only seems to happen under optimal conditions, being at home, well-rested, relaxing, driving the car, etc. But if I am really not separate from everything that is, then maybe it can happen anytime.

Are you not part of what is? Would all this beautifulness appear if your weren’t?
Also thoughts are still talking about whether or not they can give up the illusion of control. I'm sure they can but they are a bit stubborn.
Ask them with love what exactly they think they do control? Thoughts are only looking out for you and trying to protect you. They are not the enemy.
Lots of Love Sarah xxx
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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby jessica07 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:18 pm

Hi Sarah,
Are you not part of what is? Would all this beautifulness appear if your weren’t?
Yes, I am not separate from everything that is. That is seen now. And there is beauty in that. And there is beauty in direct experience. There is a refreshing feeling in breathing, in drinking water, in the smell of nature, etc. There is beauty in a leaf, in a flower, in the ocean, in the clouds drifting across the sky. Even the walk out to the parking lot was a beautiful experience today.
Ask them with love what exactly they think they do control? Thoughts are only looking out for you and trying to protect you. They are not the enemy.
Thoughts said "We don't control anything", "We are getting used to this new role as commentator". Realizing this led to less stories of control. There was very little resistance today and when there was, there was a gentle question of "well, what do thoughts actually control?" The quality of doing seems to be improving.

A concern arouse in thoughts, something like, "Well, if thoughts really don't have a controlling role, and this is realized, will "I" have no ability to do "the right thing" in a given situation?" That question in itself is a thought saying that it wants to control things. But the body seems to know how to "do the right thing" and also protect itself.

It happened the other day, when I was walking a drunk man approached me on the sidewalk from the other direction saying really obnoxious things. I tried to walk past him quickly but he did some kind of crabwalk to prevent me from going past him. So the body just turned around without thinking and started walking in the other direction. Thoughts immediately started commenting on how they "were impressed" that the body could just do that without thoughts saying that needed to be done.

Although thoughts are not the enemy, sometimes they seem to interfere with doing. When deep in an "I" story, it is often at those times that the body will trip on something, or bump into something, hit its head while getting out of the car, lose keys, etc. There are many times when "I" have put something down and have absolutely no memory of where it was placed.

There is a question that often arises in thoughts. Perhaps this question is too big to be addressed here, and if it can't be then that's okay. Why is this world such a crazy place? Sometimes beauty is seen in human activity and sometimes the exact opposite. Perhaps "I" have been watching too much news or too many documentary films recently. Even though "crazy" is a label, it seems to be an accurate one.

"I" hope "I" am not bothering you with too many questions!

Thanks always and warm wishes, Love Jessica XXX

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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby Sarah7 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:31 pm

Lovely notice-ings Jessica!
The quality of doing seems to be improving.
Oh yes! Well noticed! The body knows what it is doing!
Although thoughts are not the enemy, sometimes they seem to interfere with doing. When deep in an "I" story, it is often at those times that the body will trip on something, or bump into something, hit its head while getting out of the car, lose keys, etc. There are many times when "I" have put something down and have absolutely no memory of where it was placed.

LOL.
There is a question that often arises in thoughts. Perhaps this question is too big to be addressed here, and if it can't be then that's okay. Why is this world such a crazy place? Sometimes beauty is seen in human activity and sometimes the exact opposite. Perhaps "I" have been watching too much news or too many documentary films recently. Even though "crazy" is a label, it seems to be an accurate one.
No Jessica – you can bring anything you want here.

When next in the countryside – look at all the beauty – but that beauty is also filled with the same craziness! – do you see nature rejecting any of it? Do you know the ying yang symbol? The opposites of black and white, war and peace etc. Take note of the circle around the edge. ALL is contained in what is – nothing is rejected. The mirror will not reject some images and not others, the sky will not kick out all large fluffy clouds. Only labels and thoughts separate and give opinions and judge etc….. Take this with you when next you go to the countryside. See everything BE-ing.
Lots of Love Sarah xxxx
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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby jessica07 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:11 pm

Hi Sarah,
When next in the countryside – look at all the beauty – but that beauty is also filled with the same craziness! – do you see nature rejecting any of it? Do you know the ying yang symbol? The opposites of black and white, war and peace etc. Take note of the circle around the edge. ALL is contained in what is – nothing is rejected. The mirror will not reject some images and not others, the sky will not kick out all large fluffy clouds. Only labels and thoughts separate and give opinions and judge etc….. Take this with you when next you go to the countryside. See everything BE-ing.
Yes, that's right nature is filled with both beauty and craziness, just like what happens in human activity. Never thought about it like this before!!

It started to really sink in today, that "I" don't control anything......at all!! "I" was created completely in thoughts and this "I" comments on things that the body has experienced, or on various memories or creates stories. Today thoughts actually said, "Let me out! Let me out!", "I want to be somewhere where I can control something", "I am in a prison up inside this head". Feels very strange. Various different emotions arouse today. There were moments of peace and warmth and love. But as "I" write this post now, "I" feel very strange. Going now to talk to thoughts with love before going to sleep. That will most likely be one thought following another thought, and lots of broken and repeated thoughts, but there will be an illusion of talking to thoughts. Thoughts said, "This is what I need right now."

Thank you for all your help. Love - Jessica XXX

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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby Sarah7 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:13 pm

Hi Jessica
Yes, that's right nature is filled with both beauty and craziness, just like what happens in human activity. Never thought about it like this before!!
Have a look when next you are there!
It started to really sink in today, that "I" don't control anything......at all!! "I" was created completely in thoughts and this "I" comments on things that the body has experienced, or on various memories or creates stories. Today thoughts actually said, "Let me out! Let me out!", "I want to be somewhere where I can control something", "I am in a prison up inside this head". Feels very strange. Various different emotions arouse today. There were moments of peace and warmth and love. But as "I" write this post now, "I" feel very strange. Going now to talk to thoughts with love before going to sleep. That will most likely be one thought following another thought, and lots of broken and repeated thoughts, but there will be an illusion of talking to thoughts. Thoughts said, "This is what I need right now."
Would you say you have seen through the illusion of self? Anymore questions? Anything you are not clear about? Is seeking or wanting still happening – and if so is it seen through?
How do you feel?
Lots of Love Sarah xxxx
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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby jessica07 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:37 pm

Hi Sarah,
Would you say you have seen through the illusion of self?


I want to take the next couple of days to "verify this myself", and I can give you a clearer answer on Monday.
Anymore questions? Anything you are not clear about?
There are always questions!! But they are starting to resolve themselves. Just a little confused about emotions though. There's nothing wrong with them, but is it okay to still have strong emotions, or at least experience the illusion of strong emotions after seeing through the illusion of self? Lots of strong emotions experienced here!! Is it okay to be pissed off sometimes?
Is seeking or wanting still happening – and if so is it seen through?
Oh, yes. It still happens. But what is happening now is that a lot of that seeking and wanting seems to naturally be falling away. It's like lighting and watching a sparkler burn! The thoughts of seeking and wanting flare up and break off into separate sparks, and then fall away or disappear into smoke. This has not happened before today.
How do you feel?
Sometimes I feel good and sometimes I feel very strange. Thoughts are sometimes saying things in protest, "Help! I can't control anything!", "I am a prisoner inside this body!" and then other thoughts say, "It's going to be okay!", "Watching want and the illusion of control just fall away like that is pretty amazing!", and then back to thoughts that say, "I'm totally freaked out that I really can't control anything!!" What to do in this situation? Approach thoughts with love? See this randomness of thought as part of what is?

Thoughts that DON'T say things that indicate that they want things to be different, or that they are dissatisfied with Jessica, or that they want to control something have been left untouched. Thank goodness!! Much of this life has been lived up inside this head. And many of those thoughts have been ones of humour or compassion. But does that matter?

Sometimes the thoughts in the head have made Jessica seem like a real jerk, like when "I" am getting into the lift in my apartment building after a long day and someone is just entering the apartment building. And thoughts say something like "I'm tired.", "I don't want to ride the lift up with another person.", "We will have to stop at their floor", and then thoughts even say, "Gosh, Jessica! You are being such a jerk for thinking this." But the body holds the door open for them just the same, because if the door wasn't held open they wouldn't be able to get there in time.

And then sometimes the thoughts have been, "Oh, look! A family with small children is entering the building!", "Gotta hold the door open" and the action of the body is the same as in the first situation. Does it make a difference what happens in thoughts if the body performs the same action? But yet, as typing this I am able to see that there was a judgement made there. It seems to be a different story in thoughts related to if there is a single individual getting onto the lift or if it is a family. The "tiredness" of the individuals can be felt, and they seem to be just as pissed off as I am after a long day. Or at least that's the story!!
Yes, that's right nature is filled with both beauty and craziness, just like what happens in human activity. Never thought about it like this before!!
Have a look when next you are there!
Will be going to the countryside tomorrow if it doesn't rain!! To observe this beauty AND this craziness! Hope you have a wonderful weekend.

Thanks always and warm wishes, Love - Jessica XXX

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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby Sarah7 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:05 pm

Hi Jessica
I want to take the next couple of days to "verify this myself", and I can give you a clearer answer on Monday.
You take as long as you like – and if you are not sure then that’s ok too.
There are always questions!! But they are starting to resolve themselves. Just a little confused about emotions though. There's nothing wrong with them, but is it okay to still have strong emotions, or at least experience the illusion of strong emotions after seeing through the illusion of self? Lots of strong emotions experienced here!! Is it okay to be pissed off sometimes?
When you say resolved – can you expand on that?
What would create a question like this? (Asked here as well by the way!) Have a really good look at this – see what expects, what questions in the first place, what wants something other than this.
Oh, yes. It still happens. But what is happening now is that a lot of that seeking and wanting seems to naturally be falling away. It's like lighting and watching a sparkler burn! The thoughts of seeking and wanting flare up and break off into separate sparks, and then fall away or disappear into smoke. This has not happened before today.
Lovely!
Sometimes I feel good and sometimes I feel very strange. Thoughts are sometimes saying things in protest, "Help! I can't control anything!", "I am a prisoner inside this body!" and then other thoughts say, "It's going to be okay!"

OK when this happens – breathe and have a look – what exactly is wrong in this minute, in this moment, this right now-ness - a part from thought wanting something, anything other than this?
What to do in this situation? Approach thoughts with love? See this randomness of thought as part of what is?

What is it ‘you’ can ‘do’? Who would do it? It either happens or it doesn’t. That’s it. Nothing more. Look yourself.
Much of this life has been lived up inside this head.

Isnt that why you came here? Because that didn’t answer your questions?
Does it make a difference what happens in thoughts if the body performs the same action?
You answer this. Have a lovely weekend.
Lots of Love Sarah xxxx
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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby jessica07 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:27 pm

Hello again,
What to do in this situation? Approach thoughts with love? See this randomness of thought as part of what is?


What is it ‘you’ can ‘do’? Who would do it? It either happens or it doesn’t. That’s it. Nothing more. Look yourself.
It is not happening right now :( but I will let you know when it does :)

There's a lot of fear here (or illusion of fear) that I will annoy you with too many questions, and I feel very sorry for not "getting it" :(

Thanks for all your help and I will post again on Monday.

Love, Jessica

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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby Sarah7 » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:03 pm

Hi Jessica
There's a lot of fear here (or illusion of fear) that I will annoy you with too many questions, and I feel very sorry for not "getting it" :(
Is this still the case after the weekend? What is this sentence Jessica! You know this! Look at this sentence for what it really is!

What fears are there Jessica? Please bring them here – don’t care how long the list is! Let rip and we can sift through it together - OK?

You will not annoy me with too many questions. I am not going anywhere till you are sure or have had enough. There is no time scale here! We can go as fast or as slow as you like.
Big hug. Lots of Love Sarah xxx
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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby jessica07 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:20 pm

Hi Sarah,

Thank you for your kind message yesterday! And thank you for your patience with me. I feel much better after the weekend! Thoughts and emotions are never permanent - Thank goodness!
I want to take the next couple of days to "verify this myself", and I can give you a clearer answer on Monday.
You take as long as you like – and if you are not sure then that’s ok too.
It's probably going to take a little bit longer to answer this question.
What would create a question like this? (Asked here as well by the way!) Have a really good look at this – see what expects, what questions in the first place, what wants something other than this.
Thoughts question, and expect or say that they expect. But this is not always seen through!
What is it ‘you’ can ‘do’?
This question was met with a ton of resistance! (I'm sorry!). Thoughts starting saying things like "What do you mean I CAN'T DO ANYTHING?!" Thoughts were very noisy! Thoughts said all kinds of things. I was very surprised at all the resistance, or at least thoughts said that! They said, "What's with all this resistance?", "You must be far from seeing through the illusion of self to have all this resistance!" Thoughts supply both sides of the battle!

Later thoughts said very dramatic things! They said, "I.....has....exploded!" Nope,that hasn't happened either. And it is no longer about eliminating "I". Thank goodness! - because that would probably be impossible.

"What is it that 'you' can 'do'?" is a very valid question! The answer, as seen today, is nothing! The body does things all the time. But the body is not "I". The body has all kinds of experiences. It walks, it breathes, it speaks. It sees. It hears. etc. I-thoughts and I-stories are now seen as a type of experience that happens to the body, maybe in actuality a very small part. Before today, "I" had been seen as a kind of blanket that covers and owns all the experiences.

Still don't really understand exactly what this "I" is and why it is so common to almost everyone, it seems.

Thanks always and warm wishes,

Love, -Jessica xxx

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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby jessica07 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:22 pm

There's a lot of fear here (or illusion of fear) that I will annoy you with too many questions, and I feel very sorry for not "getting it" :(
Is this still the case after the weekend? What is this sentence Jessica! You know this! Look at this sentence for what it really is!
It is a story that was not seen through, or seen as a story at the time!
Big hug.
Thanks for that!

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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby Sarah7 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:19 pm

Hi Jessica
Thoughts and emotions are never permanent - Thank goodness!
Does the reflection hurt, damage or have any impact on the mirror? How do emotions hurt you outside of story? If you go straight to the emotion and sit with it – use the exercise I gave you about fear – you can put in any word.
Thoughts question, and expect or say that they expect. But this is not always seen through!
But it IS seen through! :) Does not matter when except to thought!
This question was met with a ton of resistance! (I'm sorry!). Thoughts starting saying things like "What do you mean I CAN'T DO ANYTHING?!" Thoughts were very noisy! Thoughts said all kinds of things. I was very surprised at all the resistance, or at least thoughts said that! They said, "What's with all this resistance?", "You must be far from seeing through the illusion of self to have all this resistance!" Thoughts supply both sides of the battle!
Resistance is ????? Lots of thought and story about thought? Is it a feeling/sensation too? Go to the feeling/sensation - Look there. Is it still resistance without thought and story?
Of course they do!!!!! But what CAN thoughts 'do' except pass by – test this yourself.
Later thoughts said very dramatic things! They said, "I.....has....exploded!" Nope,that hasn't happened either. And it is no longer about eliminating "I". Thank goodness! - because that would probably be impossible.
YES YES YES!!!!! Well seen!
"What is it that 'you' can 'do'?" is a very valid question! The answer, as seen today, is nothing! The body does things all the time. But the body is not "I". The body has all kinds of experiences. It walks, it breathes, it speaks. It sees. It hears. etc. I-thoughts and I-stories are now seen as a type of experience that happens to the body, maybe in actuality a very small part. Before today, "I" had been seen as a kind of blanket that covers and owns all the experiences.

YESSSSSSSS! ‘I’ is just another part or arising in what is! Let this sink in! Look for this!
Still don't really understand exactly what this "I" is
Is that ‘I’ thought trying to get a foothold again?
Hugs and Love Sarah xxxxx
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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby jessica07 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:44 am

Hi Sarah,
Does the reflection hurt, damage or have any impact on the mirror? How do emotions hurt you outside of story? If you go straight to the emotion and sit with it – use the exercise I gave you about fear – you can put in any word.
Well, emotions have been in the past associated with loss of sleep, lack of energy, irregular eating habits, strange behavior, etc. But maybe that all comes from story. Through this work I have seen emotions disappear through looking at the emotion. Fear and anger have actually vanished when there was time to sit with them. But it happens when it happens, meaning sometimes it doesn't happen! The exercise you gave me is very helpful when it happens!
But it IS seen through! :) Does not matter when except to thought!
Yes, it is seen through :)
Resistance is ????? Lots of thought and story about thought? Is it a feeling/sensation too? Go to the feeling/sensation - Look there. Is it still resistance without thought and story?
Yes, it seems to be lots of thought and story about thought. But this didn't arise today, and I will be looking for it.
‘I’ is just another part or arising in what is! Let this sink in! Look for this!
Yes, this is seen. But "I" wants to claim or own all the experiences. But there are so many experiences and most of them are not even registered and commented on by "I". That is pretty fascinating and it is still sinking in.
Still don't really understand exactly what this "I" is
Is that ‘I’ thought trying to get a foothold again?
Yes, it is. It always is!! It tried several times today and fell away like the sparks from a sparkler. But "I" might be successful in grabbing a foothold in the future, but just for a short time -- until it is seen through again.

Thanks always and warm wishes. Love, Jessica xxx

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Re: Seeking a Guide

Postby Sarah7 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:59 pm

Hi Jessica
Well, emotions have been in the past associated with loss of sleep, lack of energy, irregular eating habits, strange behavior, etc. But maybe that all comes from story.
Well - have a look at that and see.
Yes, this is seen. But "I" wants to claim or own all the experiences. But there are so many experiences and most of them are not even registered and commented on by "I". That is pretty fascinating and it is still sinking in.
So who or what is bothered by this if at all? Keep looking at this ‘I’ just also being part of what is. It also like everything else – comes and goes.
Yes, it is. It always is!! It tried several times today and fell away like the sparks from a sparkler

Lovely.
Hugs and Love Sarah xxxx
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