The Gate

Hi Michael

Nothing wrong with talking shit - you can do whatever feels right. I call you on it that's all.

What I get from your reply:

1. From direct experience you sense that labelling attach words together or words attach labels together. Did I understand right? What do you mean? From Direct Experience please.

2. You do not understand the relevans of removing 'I'. There is no removing of 'I'. It is not possible to remove what never existed. I can not explain the relevans to you. What do you feel the relevans is to you?

You said in the start reply of second round that your eagerness of seeing through 'I'-thought was 10+. Why did you say that, if you do not see the relevans of it?

This I can not grasp, please explain it again:

Yet he is amused to see the relevance for it`s entirety, hoping, wishing for unfold~meant of experience;) Plus: what`s wrong with talkin shit?;) Doin what comes natural, @ present;)

Do you want us to continue? If yes why?

Vivi

Hi Michael

I wish to know, this is you is on about;)

What do you wish to know?

Yet I also wish to understand where on earth, this is, is happening;)
Yes, but thinking upon, is as important, than it, which is~nt?

Not now - if you want to know 'I' to be an illusion - that requires focus on Direct Experience. After realizing thinking on all subjects can continue. The more focused you can stay, the sooner you will know.

BS happens this is not intended, so please excuse me, for I know not what I am, just yet. No one gets left behind;)

I know, I just pointed at what you wrote was founded in belief.

I wonder then, I know, michael wanders, then waves at the elementary eloquence of it all;~))

If possible please waonder and wander in the direction I am pointing, as long as we are wandering together ;)

Vivi

Actually please refrain from wondering on the topic while we are wandering together :)

Ah ... maybe I did not understand you correctly!

Did you say that you do not understand the relevans of looking at labelling?

Vivi

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What do you feel about the last replies from me?

Cool;)

Can you answer this one?

Did you say that you do not understand the relevans of looking at labelling?

Not at all;)
Looking is what I am you doing, I just can`t appear to go this way @ present?:(+;)No it does not mean I do not want to not go forth, it simply means I am not apparently ready at this very moment, yet do not wish to remove your focus;) Really, this is true direct experience seen from thy eye.
Errm sorry, its the way I am @ present.
Love Michael;/

No need to be sorry. It is as it is. You can't if you can't. At the moment. Do you want us to take a break for a couple of days?

Warm regards Vivi

Not at all.
Do not, want to waste your time;) mine is e~relevant;)Thank you, for your patience dear one;)
Love Michael;)

Hi Michael

Back to labelling!

Labelling is thoughts believed to be concepts like good, bad, chair, apple, husband, I etc.

You seem to know from Direct Experience, that without the labelling there is only ''being' - 'breathing' = 'life' (my interpretation).

Now Look again focus on labelling: focus on senses. What do you KNOW in the moment - you do not know that you are sitting in a chair. All you know is sensations 'somewhere' (in thoughts labelled as 'sitting on my bum')
Give it some time.

From the space of being, in the moment, witout labelling, can you find an I?

Warm regards Vivi

UPS!! Now Look again, NO focus on labelling: focus on senses.!

focus on senses.

Have had some success with watching what actually is having the experience, found that the experiences are simply happening all by themselves, without making it separate as in proclaiming them as mine;) A couple of times today the oneness being was connected too/with;)Joy followed by a feeling of uncertainty.
Only the "I" kept almost as if aware, popping up and separation once more had arrived as to claim some part? Still exploring in every available moment;) At least now my focus is homing in on it;)
But for how long? Forming brand new looking appears to be at work?:)
Thanks Vivi;)

Hi Michael

What a joy to read this:

Have had some success with watching what actually is having the experience, found that the experiences are simply happening all by themselves, without making it separate as in proclaiming them as mine;) A couple of times today the oneness being was connected too/with;)Joy followed by a feeling of uncertainty.

Only the "I" kept almost as if aware, popping up and separation once more had arrived as to claim some part?

The thought of 'I' coming up and disappearing if not identified with

Still exploring in every available moment;) At least now my focus is homing in on it;)

Good!

But for how long?

Who cares? That is just a thought!

Forming brand new looking appears to be at work?:)

Yes

Warm regards Vivi