I want a Guide...I am ready

[aubergine99]

Hi,

I have just come back from my daily walk. Yes it is one of the activities I enjoy very much, and in nature when possible is the best. I was really into DE all the time while doing it, and right in the middle of sitting in a bench under a tree, guess what? I got pooped by a bird enjoying its DE experience above me in a branch lol... the thought came: what a perfect example of nature doing what it does when conditions appear like you mention in your question/statement. Yes, under proper conditions arranged by life itself, anything can happen in any moment...no controller at all...By the way I have had the most exquisite experiences in nature...when exploring this kind of observing...both ways, what we can label good and bad, depending on who is doing the labeling. Like having a snake next to where I was sitting resting in the desert shade one day!!

During this investigation I will often ask you to look in DE, but to be more accurate, can you ever not look in DE, Margarita? Whatever is sensed is only ever DE. Do you see that?

A snake resting where you were sitting is just that. Neither good nor bad – for who? It just is.

In doing DE practice while walking a thought came: Isn't the desire for Liberation since coming from the illusory "I" thought another story in the stream of life expressed in this organism called Margarita? and if so, seeing it is just another illusion, should not that be the en of exploration????? Crossing the Gate, just another story in thought? since there is no one to cross???

Yes, the desire is another story, so is seeing the illusion, so is crossing the Gate. A story about a fictitious ‘I’ that could do any of this.

All thought is story. Is the thought of a pink elephant anything other than story? Can you touch, smell or see this imagined elephant?

Much love for your patience Brigitte. The day just turned more lovely by this exchange.Thanks for all your efforts and energy spent in this work. Margarita

Thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated. No effort at all and no choice either.

NB Watch out for pooping birds today.

Brigitte x

[gypsymaggie]

Hi Brigitte,Yes indeed, in reality we are always in DE...only thoughts of other stories distracting us from the full awareness...and that is the practice right? to continue the looking into immediate DE at all times...practice makes it perfect...for no one!!!

So if all thought is story, if there is no thought there is no more questions...nothing to be liberated from since it has been seen that the "I is also a thought, just like the example of a pink elephant...just imagined...sooooo there is not need anymore to explore any further. That is the feeling that arises because there is no one needing to explore right? End of the story!!! And if a bird poops on my head...well such is life!!!lol!!!

Life just continues as always has done with all the myriads of situations arising in every moment...the urgency of seeking for answers has dropped, no more questions...Life as it is...gate or not gate, no one to cross anymore, and it never was!!

Thanks,
Margarita

[aubergine99]

Yes indeed, in reality we are always in DE...only thoughts of other stories distracting us from the full awareness...and that is the practice right? to continue the looking into immediate DE at all times...practice makes it perfect...for no one!!!

Sure, looking in DE deals with any seeds of doubt. It tells you exactly what is and not what is imagined. It’s a good practice, but there is no-one that does it. It happens or it doesn’t.

So if all thought is story, if there is no thought there is no more questions...nothing to be liberated from since it has been seen that the "I is also a thought, just like the example of a pink elephant...just imagined...sooooo there is not need anymore to explore any further. That is the feeling that arises because there is no one needing to explore right? End of the story!!! And if a bird poops on my head...well such is life!!!lol!!!

Wonderful!!!

Life just continues as always has done with all the myriads of situations arising in every moment...the urgency of seeking for answers has dropped, no more questions...Life as it is...gate or not gate, no one to cross anymore, and it never was!!

Despite the fact that there is never anything other than here and now, you have come far in such a short time, if you get my meaning.

Some more questions for you.

Who or what experiences? Is it Margarita or the body?
Is Margarita the same as the body?
Is the "body" just another thought label for sensations (namely tactile and kinesthetic)?

Thanks,
Brigitte

[gypsymaggie]

Hi Briggite, good morning,

In response to you comment of having come far in short time (sorry but my quote function is not working) I wanted to share with you that for the last 7 years I have been practicing another program called A Course in Miracles and the goal of mind training is the same as LU I am finding out. By looking at the unreality of the "ego" which in LU is called the "I" same thing and all the conditioning of it. Instead of "Life" the term Universal Inspiration/Holy Spirit/God is used, same pointer, and so it feels like the confirmation of that practice is showing up in LU exploration, same. Besides for 23 years I have been following the program of 12 Steps, specifically AA and I find the same goals there...so I am very happy to see that your method takes me to the same objective and I do really appreciate the very direct pointing to stay focused in DE as a way to dislodge all concepts, false stories and the rest.

"What experiences? Is Margarita or the body"?
Answer: The body receives the stimuli via the sense organs, that is all that is happening and since it is not "my body" not need to make the experience of those sensations "my" experience...it is only the biological response of the organism.

"Is Margarita the same as the body?"
NO, the body is the biological instrument of this organism, like any other organism...doing its life-ing. Margarita is the name given at birth to the instrument, just a label. And by using it for so long it was trained to acquire and hold everything that happened to the body entity. But the accumulation of the memories of all experiences, what we call past, it does not exist but in the memory bank of the brain, like the program in a computer...just information, without any meaning in itself and not belonging to no one.

"Is the body just another thought label for sensations and k...?" Yes, it is a word, label agreed upon in the collective to put together all sensations received. Really the body exist only as information in the thought system.

Have a great day my dear.
Margarita

[aubergine99]

Dear Margarita,

Is there any doubt at all that a separate 'I' is an illusion? That there is no-one that thinks, controls, decides or does anything?

Are you ready for the final questions?

Much love
Brigitte

[gypsymaggie]

"Is there any doubt at all that a separate 'I' is an illusion? That there is no-one that thinks, controls, decides or does anything?"

No, Brigitte, there is not doubt at all, mainly because what changes constantly, and will not last forever can not be REAL therefore it is only an illusion because the nature of illusion is that it can change and...it does depending or whatever conditions are present at any moment. No, no doubt that there is no-one that thinks, just the mind (not the brain in my understanding) which thinks because that is its function, to think. There is no "I" that controls decides or does anything because if that was the case, a state of constant bliss, happiness and all goody-goody states like a cosmic orgasm lol will be the permanent experience of all beings!!while the opposite is pretty much the state of humankind. Life is the best teacher. I do not know about these bugs appearing in my DE...a huge cricket just landed on my bare foot and the reaction was one of jumping and brushing it across the floor!! wow, such an immediate and quick response of the animal body to protect itself...SURE,SURE there was not a single thought before those quick actions happened...what an example of life happening as it does...when it needs to...and is only the story afterwards that tries to make some sense of it....

""Are you ready for the final questions?""

Answer: Yes, ready for the final questions...your intuition is very sharp Brigitte.

Much love and gratitude for your attention and guidance.

Margarita

[aubergine99]

Hello again,

Just need you to clarify the following.

No, no doubt that there is no-one that thinks, just the mind (not the brain in my understanding) which thinks because that is its function, to think.

Do you see that this statement is coming from thought rather than experience. Whenever possible, please report from DE.

Do you experience a mind which thinks? Or do you experience a thought that tells a story about what mind does?

This is an important distinction, as the guiding we do here, is to bring you to the understanding of ‘no self’ through experience not just intellectually.

If there is no ‘I’ in control of anything and there is experience of things happening, how does this occur?

Brigitte x

[gypsymaggie]

Just need you to clarify the following.

No, no doubt that there is no-one that thinks, just the mind (not the brain in my understanding) which thinks because that is its function, to think.

Do you see that this statement is coming from thought rather than experience. Whenever possible, please report from DE.

Margarita says:
Yes, I can see the statement coming from thought...from intellectual knowledge instead of actually seeing either brain or mind.

"Do you experience a mind which thinks? Or do you experience a thought that tells a story about what mind does? "

Margarita says: It is a thought that tells a story about what mind does...a question arises: where the thoughts come from really? before any learning about them was acquired? I could answer it is just life creating the thoughts since there is no self behind them....that feels like the way of DE will tell me.



"If there is no ‘I’ in control of anything and there is experience of things happening, how does this occur?"

I do not know. The obvious answer when I look at it is: It is just life doing it, life happening, just that.

Margarita

[aubergine99]

Do you experience a mind which thinks? Or do you experience a thought that tells a story about what mind does?

It is a thought that tells a story about what mind does...a question arises: where the thoughts come from really? before any learning about them was acquired? I could answer it is just life creating the thoughts since there is no self behind them....that feels like the way of DE will tell me.

The answer to that would be another thought story. What remains without thought story?

Here are the final questions:

1)Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2)Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3)How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4)What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5)Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

6)Anything to add?

Take your time and answer as fully as you can, from DE whenever possible.

I wait to hear from you.

Brigitte.

[gypsymaggie]

Good morning Brigitte...

quote: "The'answer to that would be another thought story. What remains without thought story?''

Margarita says: without thought story nothing remains.

Here are the final questions:

1)Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

Margarita says: NO


2)Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

M: The illusion of separate self is nothing because it is an illusion...this illusion started when the body/mind organism was told it was a separate individual, with a name assigned, and separate from all other bodies around. This illusion works because of illusion of a separate body from other bodies which is what the eyes can report.The way I see it now is that since there is just that, separate bodies/mind organisms BUT they are just that organisms, biological functions happening in them but there is no controller, entity or self directing them on what to do. Neither here or there, so there is no "persons" that can be perceived only the story from thought that there are such persons around.

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3)How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

M: It feels very clear that no one is responsible for what is happening at any moment...since there is no controlling entity doing it or making it happen...it takes away all feelings of guilt from it all...a great relief!!
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4)What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

M: To see in my answers that there was still an automatic response from intellect...information learned that was still believed and wanted to show up as "my truth". The reflection was every concept learned, every word, image, thought forms where just the result of learned information, NOTHING ORIGINAL.

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5)Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

M: No, it is clear now as I had my suspicions before that "I" (used only to make sense of grammar language)is not the decision maker, that all intentions, choosing, events in life are the result of spontaneous, unpredictable and uncontrollable possibilities that given the right circumstances Life presents at any given moment. Examples from my experience: There was no plan made to join this LU site...one day while browsing videos the link was found and an irresistible movement to follow it happened...obviously no by this "me", it just happened. One very dramatic example that happened about 2 months ago: while hiking in the mountain a man assaulted me, robbed me (using the "me" for grammar purpose only lol) and threatened to rape me...who planned all this? no one...the circumstances from various factors such as hiking alone in dangerous places, carrying some money, a story of lack of money in this man plus whatever mental distortions being suffered in him made all appear in that precise moment. And the pure, innocent response while the attack was being performed of the body instantly responding to fight back for safety ocurred without a SINGLE THOUGHT, just pure defense reaction from the animal biological organism. It seems like a story now, which it is, just using it as an example as asked.
Afterwards all kinds of scenarios were running as a stream of thoughts and more thoughts for a few days without stop, just thought trying to make sense of thought!!The facts were the facts and the ending fact experienced was that a very traumatic (according to labeling thought pattern learned) happened and that no harm was done to the body after all. End of the story. No need to blame and no guilt just facts.

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6)Anything to add?

M: Very grateful to not have quit the process when resistance in the methodology was felt. It gave more room to explore and see that it was only the old pattern of the illusion of the personal "I" who was resisting otherwise those feelings, which can be seen now as just a result from mental constructs deeply rooted from conditioning for so many years. Humble to see that the need for guidance was a gift and the ruthless but gentle and kind focusing in DE was brought back again and again. Freedom from bondage of the non existing "me" is the result. Many thanks to my guide Brigitte and the team of LU. Great work.



Margarita

[aubergine99]

Hi Margarita,

Thanks for your clear answers.

Just one point I need clarity on.

Without thought story nothing remains.

Really?

When looking at an image or listening to music, without thought. Is that nothing?

Brigitte x

[gypsymaggie]

Hi,

When looking at an image or listening to music, without thought. Is that nothing?

I mean nothing of the story about it...just the pure fact of the image or listening to music...in DE all the forms still show up and the senses or sensations of the body report the experience of them and that is all. Then thought rushes in trying to interpret, analyze and conclude making a story about it, which now I can see clearly there is just a thought form and whatever is narrating is just that:a story...not the fact of the directly experienced via image or sound, so therefore not need to believe it at all.

Margarita

[aubergine99]

Hi,

Great work!

I have no more questions for you, but some other guides might. I will get back to you as soon as I can.

Much love
Brigitte

[gypsymaggie]

Thanks, I will wait.

M

[aubergine99]

Hello,

You've just gone through that Gate! Margarita

Admin will shortly change your name to blue and you will get access to other LU groups.

There are also 'after care' groups you can join if you are on Facebook, where you can take part in conversations with fellow members. If this interests you, please send me your Facebook name in a private message and you will get an invite automatically sent to you.

It’s been a real pleasure to guide you and I wish you all the best.

Much love,
Brigitte