Guidance needed please

[jbixman]

There is no I, therefore no further questions if there ever where any.

[jbixman]

Hi Sarah, hope all is well.

[Sarah7]

Hi Jerry
No – no worries.

There is no I, therefore no further questions if there ever where any.

So has separation ceased? When looking around or at something is there a seer, seen and seeing?

Is there any confusion left? No more questions then? No more doubt? No more seeking?
Much Love Sarah xx

[jbixman]

Hi Sarah, Marithon at work, still here

[jbixman]

Hi Sarah, back again.

So has separation ceased? When looking around or at something is there a seer, seen and seeing?

Separation has not ceased but is diminishing. So to say that there is no seer or seen would be a stretch, but that is not to say that seeing doesn't happen. This is not an Ah Ha moment more of an aaaaaaaaaaaaaah haaaaaaaaaaa thing.

Is there any confusion left? No more questions then? No more doubt? No more seeking?

Jerry will probably still be confused with questions, doubt and seeking, but Jerry is just a thought, part of what is, no more or no less.

[Sarah7]

Hi Jerry

Separation has not ceased but is diminishing. So to say that there is no seer or seen would be a stretch, but that is not to say that seeing doesn't happen. This is not an Ah Ha moment more of an aaaaaaaaaaaaaah haaaaaaaaaaa thing.

Try this – is seeing happening even before or without thinking about it or focusing on it?
Is hearing happening even before or without thinking about it or focusing on it?
Is there separation before thinking about or in seeing or hearing? Or is it simply seamless?

Jerry will probably still be confused with questions, doubt and seeking, but Jerry is just a thought, part of what is, no more or no less.

Since seeing this – has there been a difference in ‘Jerry cat’ reactions etc? Now knowing is seen is the Jerry story being invested in so much by the Jerry story? LOL.
Much Love Sarah xxx

[jbixman]

Hi Sarah,

Is there separation before thinking about or in seeing or hearing? Or is it simply seamless?

More and more between activity seeing is happening. When involved in activity it is usually necessary to bring attention to seeing.

Since seeing this – has there been a difference in ‘Jerry cat’ reactions etc? Now knowing is seen is the Jerry story being invested in so much by the Jerry story? LOL.

Nice twist on words :) The cat is getting bored staring at the hole, not much peeks out lately.

[Sarah7]

Hi Jerry

More and more between activity seeing is happening.

When is seeing not happening? Do you mean 'seeing' here? I meant what eyes do.

When involved in activity it is usually necessary to bring attention to seeing.

Does that happen seamlessly or is is done by someone?

The cat is getting bored staring at the hole, not much peeks out lately.

Boredom - thought labelling? Even if it did – wouldn’t that be part of what is? What else is there?
Much Love Sarah xxx

[jbixman]

Hi Sarah

When is seeing not happening? Do you mean 'seeing' here? I meant what eyes do.

Seeing, not with the eyes, seeing being when the I(Jerry) thoughts are seemingly in control. But not to confuse the issue, seeing the I(Jerry) thoughts as thoughts is also seeing. My this does get fuzzy.

Does that happen seamlessly or is is done by someone?

It is like a dissolving, pulling back that occurs more frequently now.

Boredom - thought labelling? Even if it did – wouldn’t that be part of what is? What else is there?

Just what is.

[Sarah7]

Hi Jerry

Just what is.

I would like to invite you to LU Facebook groups, but before that we usually ask some "final questions". If I pose the questions again – would there still be confusion or stump-ness as to how to answer or would they also simply fall into what is? If there are any sticky points I can see and we can work through, if none, you are welcome to join the groups for continuing support and friendship. Whatever happens is fine here Jerry.
1)Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
6) Anything to add?
Please answer as fully as possible. No rush.
Much Love Sarah xx

[jbixman]

Hi Sarah, working on your questions.
Thanks

[jbixman]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?


As we have discussed, there is no I, never was except in thought. Having said that, there was an I-dentification with those thoughts. The change is that the I thought still appears however it is not viewed as personal, it is no different from other thoughts passing through, there is no ownership.


2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.


This is dangerous territory, the answer to the question being asked must rely on cognitive thinking and memory, thoughts that in the present moment are less than up to the task. Very young children and animals have no self awareness. Animals continue through life without ever developing an I. The child at some point in development at the insistence of adults are brow beaten to identify in thought with a self. Society, peers and norms reinforce this concept of self and discount the awareness of what is. The process of predicting what is to come based on what has passed filters and distorts or even hides what really is.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

There is still family, work, chores, enjoyment. There are still I thoughts but they dissolve quickly into the stream of other thoughts with much less importance. There is a distancing, a wider view of what is, more of a wonderment.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

The realization that the I thought had any control of anything, that the I thought was just a narration continuously describing what happened, not actively involved in or in control of what is.

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

This was answered in the last question.

6) Anything to add?

This body/mind has spent most of a lifetime searching for something that was present at all times, closer that the breath it breathed. Direct pointing is the only thing that stopped that search in its tracks. The process is never complete but the time has come to savor what is and not have to reach for what will come.

Thank you Sarah, Ilona and Elena for this experience.

[Sarah7]

Hi Jerry
Thank you for your reply. I will show your answers to the other guides which may bring questions or not, depending on whether they think I have missed anything!
So can you keep checking in here and Ill get back to you asap. OK.
Much Love Sarah xxx

[Sarah7]

Hi Jerry
Got 2 questions for you.

Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

Firstly can you give me an example of say what exactly happens in the process of 'decision-making’?

Thank you Sarah, Ilona and Elena for this experience

Can you explain what you mean by experience here? Do you mean something like insight or revelation, or something else?
Much Love Sarah xxx

[jbixman]

Hi Sarah,

Firstly can you give me an example of say what exactly happens in the process of 'decision-making’?

Jerry makes decisions as part of what is. No one has control of those decisions, they are thoughts passing through the continuum of now, like any other thought they just happen.

Can you explain what you mean by experience here? Do you mean something like insight or revelation, or something else?

By experience it is meant the website, guides and opportunity provided therein.