I would like a guide please.

[dian]

Hi Sandra,

So if I say "This IS IT !", what is your reaction?

I don't think so. Something would be different. Still seems very intellectual. The earth doesn't have to move but surely something would be different.

Bye for now
Dianne

[Canfora]

Hi Dianne,

I don't think so.

Maybe because there is a belief in expectations about how this should be?

Something would be different.

How do you know that?

Still seems very intellectual.

Because thinking still happens :) ?

The earth doesn't have to move but surely something would be different.

If the I is not real then how can there be a dropping of the I?
Are you expecting something to drop off to have a "no-self experience"?
How can the separate self be dropped if its not there in the first place...

Love,
Sandra

[Canfora]

Dianne, I was talking about This. This experience. This here. This now. This flow. This IS IT!
How could this be differente? Isn't this ALL there is? Can you find something that isn't "This IS IT"?

[dian]

Hi Sandra,

Maybe because there is a belief in expectations about how this should be?

Maybe more spaciousness.

dian wrote:
Something would be different.
How do you know that?

I guess that would be from all the years of seeking.

dian wrote:
Still seems very intellectual.
Because thinking still happens :) ?

I don't think I am expecting thinking to stop.

Dianne, I was talking about This. This experience. This here. This now. This flow. This IS IT!
How could this be differente? Isn't this ALL there is? Can you find something that isn't "This IS IT"?

I can't find anything that isn't this here now.

Bye for now
Dianne

[Canfora]

Hi Dianne, so nice to see you again.

We have been looking to reality to see if there is a separate you, a real Dianne.
You have been looking and looking, I admire your persistence.

What I would like you to do is to look "inside" now. What is happening "inside"?

I want you to look directly to Dianne and allow Dianne to talk with you.

What does she have to say?

What are the feelings that appear when you talk with Dianne?

What makes Dianne stuck to existence, why is she needed?

What would happen if Dianne disappeared?

Please describe the sensations in your body. What do you see happening?

Much love,
Sandra

[dian]

Hi Sandra,

I'll be quite busy for the next couple of weeks but will reply whenever I can. I don't intend to give up.




regards
Dianne

[Canfora]

Hi Dianne,

How are things going? Did you considered the questions in my last post?

Sandra

[dian]

Hi Sandra,

Sorry I have taken so long to get back. Have had a busy few weeks.

We have been looking to reality to see if there is a separate you, a real Dianne.
You have been looking and looking, I admire your persistence.

What I would like you to do is to look "inside" now. What is happening "inside"?

I want you to look directly to Dianne and allow Dianne to talk with you.

What does she have to say?

What are the feelings that appear when you talk with Dianne?

Dianne feels tired of the search. She would be very happy to be seen through. She would gladly give up the control she imagines she has. She would be happy to be the lens through which the world is viewed.

What makes Dianne stuck to existence, why is she needed?

Thoughts seem to keep her stuck to existence. Even sitting here typing she stops to look for the next thought to type like its actually her thought.

What would happen if Dianne disappeared?

Not much would change but also the whole view of the world would change.

Please describe the sensations in your body. What do you see happening?

Taking deep breaths and relaxing into the chair. Head moving to look past screen to nature outside the window. Body feels quite relaxed doesn't seem to be any tension. Just a looking or searching for the next thought to type.

Its nice to be back again.
kind regards
Dianne

[Canfora]

Hi Dianne and welcome back :)

Please describe the sensations in your body. What do you see happening?
Taking deep breaths and relaxing into the chair. Head moving to look past screen to nature outside the window. Body feels quite relaxed doesn't seem to be any tension. Just a looking or searching for the next thought to type.

Dianne doesn't exist in experience - is this true?

If you read your last post, can you see that she is only a thought, a habit, a reference point that is used to make sense of reality? Where can you find her besides thinking?

Sandra

[dian]

Hi Sandra,

Dianne doesn't exist in experience - is this true?

If you read your last post, can you see that she is only a thought, a habit, a reference point that is used to make sense of reality? Where can you find her besides thinking?

I find her in tastes there are things she likes and doesn't like to eat.
But tastes are sensations in the mouth.

I find her in body movements the familiar sight of her hands on the keyboard.
Hands are moving on the keyboard but is Dianne needed for that? Body movements seem to be automatic.

I find her in thoughts and memories.
She is very strong in thoughts. What needs to be done and where she has to go. Plans to make.
She is very strong in memories. That happened yesterday and that photo was taken years ago and comes with a specific memory.

A slight pain in the back of the head reminds me of when I hit my head.

A thought of family reminds me that I'm real to them.
She is easy to find when family are present and conversation is flowing.


So if I disregard thoughts I am left with whatever sensation is happening in the moment and I can think that's that pain in my head from when I knocked it or I can just feel the sensation. No person is required to feel the sensation it is there anyway.

kind regards
Dianne

[Canfora]

Hi Dianne,

You have all the proves that Dianne is real:

she has tastes of her own
a body with familiar hands
she exists in thoughts and memories where she is very strong and makes plans
she owns a past
she has a family to whom she is real

Why is she trying to see no self?

Sandra

[dian]

Hi Sandra,

You have all the proves that Dianne is real:

she has tastes of her own
a body with familiar hands
she exists in thoughts and memories where she is very strong and makes plans
she owns a past
she has a family to whom she is real

Why is she trying to see no self?

Because something is missing. I don't need Dianne's life to get better it's fine as it is but if Dianne is just a vessel for life to view the world I need to know that. Nothing will change from knowing that because nothing I do has any bearing on life just happening, but I need to know that. It's just a yearning inside and I accept that there will still be thoughts and sensations which I have no control over but I need to know the truth not just intellectually.

kind regards
Dianne

[Canfora]

Hi,

if Dianne is just a vessel for life to view the world I need to know that.

There is no Dianne.
If this ^ is not true then where is this Dianne? You have been looking for a long time. Did you find her?

I need to know the truth not just intellectually.

There is no "I" that can know the truth intellectually or experientially.
If there is one, can you find it? Where?

Sandra

[dian]

Hi Sandra,

dian wrote:if Dianne is just a vessel for life to view the world I need to know that.

There is no Dianne.
If this ^ is not true then where is this Dianne? You have been looking for a long time. Did you find her?

No I didn't find her. Thoughts about her are many but without thoughts I couldn't find her.

dian wrote:I need to know the truth not just intellectually.

There is no "I" that can know the truth intellectually or experientially.
If there is one, can you find it? Where?

With no " I" apart from thoughts then there is no "I".

kind regards
Dianne

[Canfora]

Hi Dianne,

Are you 100% sure there is no "I", self, me, a separate entity, a you inside the body, a thinker of thoughts, a controlling Dianne?

What is Dianne then, what causes the illusion?

Sandra