Would love a Guide to help me see the Truth

[sqnhoj]

Julia,

Thank you. Let me get a response from the other guides. Glad it was a relaxing experience. With the difference in our time zones and my work schedule, I may not be able to get feedback to you until late tomorrow evening. I'll give it my best, though.

John

[Julia]

John,

Fine. Whenever it's convenient for you.

Thank you so much.

Julia

[sqnhoj]

Hi Julia,

Thank you for your good description of direct experience. That is the right approach, so let's hone in there. I know we have had this conversation about lovely experiences come and go...and they almost certainly will. Not-so-lovely experiences will come and go, as well, in all likelihood. Are they under "your" control, or anyone else's for that matter. Look at the thinking process. Where is the control?

There was some concern expressed about your statement: "It's all getting too overwhelming, can't cope with all these questions." What is overwhelmed, and what can't cope?

Let's back off the word "control" and look at responsibility? If there is no "you" (which you have asserted consistently), is there responsibility? Can you look and describe anything in life, anything that is happening and see and describe "no responsibility"?

Relax, take your time, look and report what you see. Simple descriptions are best.

Thank you,

John

[Julia]

Hi John,

No time today. Will get back tomorrow.

KR
Julia

[sqnhoj]

Julia,

Thanks. I'll look forward to hearing from you. Have a good weekend.

John

[Julia]

Hi Julia,
Hi John,

Thank you for your good description of direct experience. That is the right approach, so let's hone in there. I know we have had this conversation about lovely experiences come and go...and they almost certainly will. Not-so-lovely experiences will come and go, as well, in all likelihood. Are they under "your" control, or anyone else's for that matter. Look at the thinking process. Where is the control?

Yes, absolutely, good and not-so-good experiences com and go, have already experienced this lately. As for "control" this does not really register anymore. The more experiences that happen, the more obvious it becomes that nothing is under "my control" or anyone else's.

There was some concern expressed about your statement: "It's all getting too overwhelming, can't cope with all these questions." What is overwhelmed, and what can't cope?

As mentioned above, good and not-so-good experiences come and go. There were lots of thoughts coming up, like bubbles in a way, rising to the top. This happened for almost two days, and during that time something happened and cleared so that clarity was experienced again. This is normal, isn't it. It feels as if there has been a letting go of what isn't true. Trust you understand this.

Let's back off the word "control" and look at responsibility? If there is no "you" (which you have asserted consistently), is there responsibility? Can you look and describe anything in life, anything that is happening and see and describe "no responsibility"? Relax, take your time, look and report what you see. Simple descriptions are best.

Can I get back to you on this last para.

KR
Julia

[sqnhoj]

Hi Julia,

Thanks for the reply. I know that we want you to do more than just generalize about no control, no doing, and no responsibility.

Remember when you focused on direct experience. Just looking...with all the senses...at what was presented. Do that for this exercise. Look...with whatever senses are relevant...at everyday happenings...what is going on now. Notice and report what is seen, but also notice and report what is not "seen."

We go through life pretending and assuming that we see something that does not exist...a self. The first step in seeing that there is no self is to notice what is never seen or heard or felt, etc. A self!! Seeing through the illusion of self is the easiest thing in the world, and once you've seen it, that seeing is always available. It's not a question of hearsay. What enriches that seeing is exploring its facets. YES, there are facets to it. One to see (not just believe) that there is nothing responsible, nothing choosing, and nothing doing. Life is in the passive voice.

Some people have a sense of truth by reading or hearing someone else. The find it lovely, inspiring, thought-provoking, etc. However, then you can hear something else and change your mind.

When truth comes by seeing, there's no further room for debate...even if a contradictory thought arises. That truth is a solid anchor...so to speak.

I want you to SEE that there is no control, no responsibility, no doer. It's not hard at all, and the key is to notice and report to me what you see and what you don't see. Be as specific as you can...not vague generalities. When it's all done, the final question is whether or not there is anything that is responsible or in control or doing or choosing. We always assume there is, but tell me if life (that is, direct experience) shows a different answer, and tell me how it shows that.

Hope your weekend is going well. Sorry this is so long. Just look and report...what is there and what is not there.

John

[Julia]

Hi John,

Thanks for your message. Enjoyed reading it.

Remember when you focused on direct experience. Just looking...with all the senses...at what was presented. Do that for this exercise. Look...with whatever senses are relevant...at everyday happenings...what is going on now. Notice and report what is seen, but also notice and report what is not "seen."
Seeing through the illusion of self is the easiest thing in the world, and once you've seen it, that seeing is always available. Life is in the passive voice.

When truth comes by seeing, there's no further room for debate...even if a contradictory thought arises. That truth is a solid anchor...so to speak.

I want you to SEE that there is no control, no responsibility, no doer. It's not hard at all, and the key is to notice and report to me what you see and what you don't see. Be as specific as you can...not vague generalities. When it's all done, the final question is whether or not there is anything that is responsible or in control or doing or choosing. We always assume there is, but tell me if life (that is, direct experience) shows a different answer, and tell me how it shows that.

Now...looking and feeling with senses...

The word/label responsibility passes into thoughts, coming through as a label used by the illusory self/I/me/you.
The label responsibility was created by self and is therefore irrelevant after one has seen through the previously (before finding LU) unquestioned question of where is the self/I/me/you that created the word. This has been seen.

What is not seen sometimes is how life just goes on, it continues to bring experiences to us and for us. Life is just happening all the time. It's wonderful to notice this now. Wonderful to stop, look, breathe and relax now!

So with life happening now, how can there be a real responsibility, chooser or doer? As you say, life is the passive voice and guide. There is no you/me that in reality is the controller or doer, no control, no choice, no responsibility. It's just experiencing experience now.

Feeling relaxed, and a sense of wellbeing about really being here. Thank you, enjoyed experiencing and sharing.

Kind regards
Julia

[sqnhoj]

Hi Julia,

Thank you for explaining the mechanism of no control, no responsibility, no doer. I'm glad that process was enjoyable. As we've gone through this dialog since your original answers to the final questions, I do need to return to that piece of question five. Many apologies if my wording of our questions since then have gotten us away from that. Your description here resonated. Now let's return to the "examples."
Can you give us some examples of how that happens in reality?
For example, describe how the choice of what to write in this thread happens or is seen happening now without a controller, a you pulling the "strings." Of course, add a couple more examples from your current experience. Nothing need be profound. Just simple, everyday happenings. They occur all the time, and many of them we ignore when we get immersed in "thought's" story. I expect you'll find the process of noticing the details of life just as enjoyable. Just let us in on the details, as well.

BTW, this journey we are on together is still enjoyable. Thank you for the many constant reminders of how truth is always there to be seen. (Notice the passive voice...since there's no seer.) I guess I just can't pass up an opportunity. :-)

Thank you,

John

[Julia]

Hi John,

Will get back to you tomorrow. Hope okay.

KR
Julia

[sqnhoj]

Hi Julia,

Very much okay.

Trust you are well.

John

[Julia]

Hi John,

Looking at question five, first thoughts are stop, look and breathe. Here are some everyday happenings being described simply:

Gently becoming more aware of, and connecting with immediate surroundings. Looking at a pen being held between fingers and thumb and observing how this message just happens, with no I/you/me/self/controller/doer, etc, pulling the "strings". Feelings and senses are noticing more, like the constant whirring of a computer over there on a table. Now there are sounds of wind blowing outside, sounding like a drum-roll far up in the clouds. Looking around a room, feeling such a pleasant sensation of familiarity. Thoughts just flowing in and out, letting these pass, staying here, now. Do I or you decide, intend, choose and control events in life? No, is the simple answer. Why? I/me/you/self does not exist, not even a little bit, never has, it is all an illusion. It is all so clear now. Understand when you say it feels "new and fresh" to look and see the real truth again.

Take the example of cooking a meal, which is done almost everyday. The cooking of food just proceeds without any need for a (chooser/intender/doer/self, they're all the same thing) to choose what happens, because it cannot, as it is not real. The experience of cooking is simply being experienced from moment to moment, just there, with no need to control the cooking. It happens and flows.

Here is another example of experiencing what is happening without a controller/self. Took a shower earlier, just looked and flowed into the senses with a fluidity like water. Observed the previously unnoticed steam flowing all around from the hot water jet. Smelling the sweet smell of shampoo and soap. Hearing the soothing trickle of water flowing into the cubicle. A wonderful, relaxed feeling of wellbeing or aliveness soothing all the senses in this balmy, sweet smelling atmosphere of heat. No illusory controller/doer makes this happen because they are just words!

It all just flows so naturally moment to moment to moment, on and on, and just experiencing experience, now. It's so simple that it is so easy to not notice this until looking takes place!

Hope the descriptions are okay, really tried to describe it here.

Kind Regards,
Julia

[sqnhoj]

Julia,

Beautiful. I'm glad the "new and fresh," which is something that never gets tiresome is "your" experience, as well. I'll get back to you soon.

John

[sqnhoj]

Julia,

Isn't seeing wonderful? Thank you for this experience we have had. I've sent you a private message with some additional information. Please let me know if you have any questions. Hope to hear from you soon.

Warm regards,

John

[Julia]

Hi John,

Thank you for this experience. An amazing ride. There are lots of questions. How do I access this private message? Where is it?

Warm regards,
Julia