Please help...

[poke it with a stick]

What is there if there is no 'I'? Well, why does there have to be anything? I guess the idea that there has to be something seeing this all, or something acting, is not necessarily true. However, it feels like hard work to resist the thoughts that insist that something explainable has to be going on! If I don't resist then I find it very difficult to not follow them through. Also, it does seem to be the default position I adopt throughout the day which I have to intentionally see through.

[Jorge786]

What is there if there is no 'I'?

Everything... This... all this.

I guess the idea that there has to be something seeing this all, or something acting, is not necessarily true.

Actually it's not necessary, and it's not. period
for whom it is necessary?, is necessary for that illusory "I", that illusion needs believe in itself, it's need to be in control... "I'm going to do this or that"... "it's necessary do that"... "I need to do this or that"...
the false "I" needs control... is afraid not being in control.
but actually do not have control at all. that thing do not exist!.

there is something there in control?.
look... what would happen if that "you" don't have control?... (report the feeling).

An experiment: stand up and walk around... watch carefully if the "I" is in control of every step... go back.

was the "I walking"?, can do you feel that?... is nobody there!... there is only the action... walking is happening!

... the thoughts that insist that something explainable has to be going on!

Sure... there is not "You", there is not "me", no person anywhere... there are bodies, brains, cars, phones, walls, monitors, etc. etc.
but things happen without an "I" or a "You" or a "me"... it's very simply! ;)

Also, it does seem to be the default position I adopt throughout the day which I have to intentionally see through.

just look at those thoughts, look at them calmly and patiently, they are not "yours" thoughts, there are just... thoughts, there are not a "You" thinking!... the thoughts simply happen, why we need to believe they?

[poke it with a stick]

look... what would happen if that "you" don't have control?... (report the feeling).

Confusion, mainly. If there's no me in control, then what is? But I think I know the answer - why does anything have to be in control? There's just this. It doesn't require control. Even, it never needed control? And more, there never was any control! All the thoughts about being in control have just been thoughts with no relevance to what was actually happening! That puts an interesting perspective on my life

...was the "I walking"?, can do you feel that?... is nobody there!... there is only the action... walking is happening!

The 'I' was not involved at any point. I may tell myself that I am choosing to walk but that itself is a thought that is happening by itself. Walking just happening... typing just happening... I get it (do I, though?!)

just look at those thoughts, look at them calmly and patiently, they are not "yours" thoughts, there are just... thoughts, there are not a "You" thinking!... the thoughts simply happen, why we need to believe they?

They do... just come and go. I think I'm starting to see that they don't belong to anyone. I almost wrote 'me' there but there's no 'me' for the thoughts to not belong to!

[Jorge786]

Excellent Job Mo!

All the thoughts about being in control have just been thoughts with no relevance to what was actually happening!

yes... were only thoughts about it and fear in response to those thoughts ... but there was never anything under control ... life is just happening! and That is really beautiful!, there is not "I" which need control, what a relief!!!. (please don't run naked down the street! ;-) ).

I may tell myself that I am choosing to walk but that itself is a thought that is happening by itself.

Another resounding YES (HAHAHA... conserve that phrase maybe no other can understand it), the thoughts react to those words in a screen, "stand up and walk....", thoughts over thoughts, from thoughts, but the thoughts are Not Thinking!!!, the thought can't think and... the "I" is only a Thought "I AM".... weird? look!

there is not an "I" choosing, deciding, doing, walking or whatever... these actions just happen!, everything is just happen

I think I'm starting to see that they don't belong to anyone

I think so!
There is no "I" who is watching this, the realization simply is happening, and leads to a thought .... "there's nothing in here!"... so... there is all this infinite!
has happened?

[poke it with a stick]

life is just happening! and That is really beautiful!, there is not "I" which need control, what a relief!!!. (please don't run naked down the street! ;-) )

:-D

thoughts over thoughts, from thoughts, but the thoughts are Not Thinking!!!, the thought can't think and... the "I" is only a Thought "I AM".... weird? look!

Not weird, more... remarkable the depth of the stories we spin for ourselves. Yes, "I AM" is just a thought, and the 'I' is not even that, it's... nothing.

There is no "I" who is watching this, the realization simply is happening, and leads to a thought .... "there's nothing in here!"... so... there is all this infinite!
has happened?

Is it happening? How would I even know? The thought that I am coming closer to liberation and seeing through the separate self is just that... a thought... it doesn't mean anything. But likewise the thought that I'm still a separate me is empty of meaning! There's nothing to say; there's just this. Fingers typing.

[Jorge786]

Hi Mo!

look at your hand, watch the skin, flesh, muscles, lines, etc.
it's your hand?, how it's feeling?

Is it happening? How would I even know? The thought that I am coming closer to liberation and seeing through the separate self is just that... a thought... it doesn't mean anything. But likewise the thought that I'm still a separate me is empty of meaning!

Yes... there is nobody to know.
so... what are "you"?, it's something?

There's nothing to say; there's just this. Fingers typing.

how it's feel?

[poke it with a stick]

Hi Jorge!

look at your hand, watch the skin, flesh, muscles, lines, etc.
it's your hand?, how it's feeling?

This is an interesting one. It's not 'my' hand any more than the chair I can see is 'my' chair. If I shut my eyes and use 'my' hand to touch something then the sensation that arises is just a sensation happening. I don't know if 'my' hand and the sensations of touch that I ascribe as coming from 'my' hand actually go together or whether it's just a thought telling me they do. I need to investigate this further.

Yes... there is nobody to know.
so... what are "you"?, it's something?

I'm not sure that the question "What am I?" makes sense. 'I' must be something, because there is... this. But not anything in particular. So, everything. And nothing, at the same time, because every thing is... not a thing, because I only think it's a seperate thing and that doesn't make it so. Um....

how it's feel?

nothing special. kind of transparent. I'm not sure I have the words

[Jorge786]

Hi Mo!

of every sentence I read, they tell me you've crossed the gate

Are you ready for the final questions?

[poke it with a stick]

of every sentence I read, they tell me you've crossed the gate

Jorge, if this is true, then it's nothing like what I expected!

Are you ready for the final questions?

Yes!

[Jorge786]

Here they are!... take your time to respond, I think this questions are good chance to clarify things to the "mind"!

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it
works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this
dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything
happen? Give examples from your experience.
6) Anything to add?

Hugs
Jorge

[poke it with a stick]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

No. Thoughts, sensations occur- but there is no ‘me’ watching them or controlling them. And there never was - it was only ever a thought that said there was, and another thought that said it was true.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of the seperate self is a belief in a thought that insists that an action requires an actor. I do not know when it starts - perhaps as the body develops and the mind becomes more sophisticated, thoughts become able to think about themselves and extrapolate an ‘I’ by comparing present experience with ‘past’ experience (another thought), and further reinforced by language and society. It seems to work simply by pressure - by endlessly recirculating self-referring thoughts, it leaves no space to simply see.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

In many ways it doesn’t feel that different. Life is still going on. But when I started this process, I felt… stuck. Constrained, maybe. Almost stressed. That’s just fallen away. There’s no sense of resistance. There’s also, at the moment, a gentle feeling of joy. Everything I had once worried about is just... empty. Beautiful.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Repeated pointing out that what I thought about myself were just thoughts. And then I saw that ‘I’ was not in control and that meant that ‘I’ had never been in control.

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

No. Things happen. ‘I’ am typing, but the typing is just happening. Interesting: there are thoughts that occur about what I want to type, and the typing occurs and creates the words that I have thought on the screen, but the thinking and the typing are just happening. There is no thinker choosing to think, or the content of the thought, and there is no actor choosing to move my fingers. Even the idea that there are initially thoughts, and then typing, is itself a thought! Everything is just happening! Even that’s too much: everything just is!

6) Anything to add?

Yes: thank you!

[Jorge786]

Hi Mo!

thxs for responses!

let me see if other guides have more questions about the process and your answers...

Hugs
Jorge

PD. thank you to let me walk by side