DairinAshley - Ingen

[Ingen]

"You" is experience as it is happening.
"You" is seeing, smelling, tasting, feeling, thinking, moving or whatever is, as it is happening.

I think you were closer to the truth here:

There is only smelling... there is no ‘me’ smelling.
There is only the experience of smell.

So I’d have to say...
Experience is happening.
Or just... Experiencing.

Although it might be because you tried to fill in the "you" I implied with my question.

If you now take all the bricks together:
-direct experience without a me doing it
-thoughts appearing without controller, decisions just happening

..is there room for a self? Can you distinguish between "the world and you", between "your life" and "you"?

Can anything be different than it is?

[DairinAshley]

Although it might be because you tried to fill in the "you" I implied with my question.

Yes, I hesitated about how I replied to the question.
I didn't want my answer to imply a separate 'you'.
But I tried to use the word 'you' in my answer, but I found it difficult because 'you' is a pronoun in the English language.

If I had written it this way...

There is experience as it is happening.
There is seeing, smelling, tasting, feeling, thinking, moving or whatever is, as it is happening.
There is no "you".
"You" is a thought added.
"You" is a concept added.

Without thoughts, I can't distinguish between the world and me or my life and me, it's all one continuum.
It can not be different than it is, but things do change, all the time.
Things don't stay the same.

With thoughts, it can seem like there is a doer, thinker, chooser, decision maker, controller...but I see that all these are thoughts and concepts added.

[Ingen]

With thoughts, it can seem like there is a doer, thinker, chooser, decision maker, controller...but I see that all these are thoughts and concepts added.

Yes. That's it. It looks like the flu took away some redundant beliefs!

I think you're ready for the questions... Would you write (at length, if you feel well enough) about :

1) Is there a you in any form or shape?

[DairinAshley]

1) Is there a you in any form or shape?

There is no me in any shape or form.
I could find nothing to write at length about.

[Ingen]

How does it feel to be liberated?

[DairinAshley]

As I read that sentence I laughed out loud!!!
Wasn’t expecting that sentence!

How does it feel to be liberated?

Right now there is smiling happening and feelings of happy delight.
It’s difficult to put feelings into words.

[Ingen]

:) Do you feel liberated? Words is what we're communicating with here, so you have to find words for feelings if you want me to know what is going on.

Can you explain what the so-calles self is and how it works?

[DairinAshley]

Do you feel liberated?

This feels like a trick question.
Do I feel liberated? I don’t know...does liberation feel like something?

Yesterday’s question could be read as “You’re liberated! How does it feel?”
or, “Liberation has a certain feeling to it, how does it feel to you?”

When I read yesterday’s question I laughed out of surprise.
Immediately after that I was smiling and a very light happy delighted joyous feeling arrived.
Then I typed ‘There is no difference’, and deleted it.
Then I typed SMILING! HAPPY!!! DELIGHT!!! YAY!!, and deleted it.
Then I went and had something to eat and I thought is Ingen telling me I’m liberated and wants to know how it feels or is Ingen asking the question to find out if there is any ‘me’ left?

This is how I feel... the heavy heavy weight of the thought “I am not enlightened” is much lighter and a lot further away. I don’t know if I am liberated or not and I’m not know if you’re telling me I am liberated or not. I feel like a big quiet empty space. The urge to dismiss and deny that this is anything real is replaced with just accepting and being it. Instead of thinking ‘liberation will never happen to me’, there is a little opening that this may not be the truth.

Can you explain what the so-calles self is and how it works?

Is the so called ‘self’ the same as the ‘you’?
If it is then the so called self is a bundle of learned thoughts, ideas, concepts and beliefs that are believed to be real. The so-called self is an idea or thought that is added to direct experience. If this idea is believed to be real it operates as a separate identity. It is treated as a thing.

[Ingen]

Dear Dairin, be assured there are no trick questions. I believe you are seeing it.

Next question: what was the thing that pushed you over? That showed you the self (you) is an illusion?

I might not be able to respond tomorrow, so here comes another question:

How would you explain the process of discoveing there is no self to somebody who doesn't know anything about it?

[DairinAshley]

what was the thing that pushed you over? That showed you the self (you) is an illusion?

It was a combination of looking really closely at direct experience and seeing what is actually there, and when I saw that ‘here-ness’ is a thought. The feeling of ‘here-ness’ is still very strong, but I’ve now seen it for what it is.
It’s a thought added to direct experience.
It’s knowledge.

The ‘me’ is not dead and gone.
There is still a sense of ‘me’, but I’m no longer fooled into believing it’s anything other than a thought.
I assume this ‘me-ness’ will gradually or suddenly disappear to nothing and vanish.

Yesterday something triggered some hurt, and for a while I was caught up in the story and history. It was elaborate. Then I clearly saw that it’s was all a story that was added to the feeling of hurt. The feeling that I labeled hurt. The feeling stopped, the story was seen, and then the story was dropped.

How would you explain the process of discoveing there is no self to somebody who doesn't know anything about it?

Boy oh boy... this is a tough question... phew! “to somebody who doesn't know anything about it”
I’ll answer this one tomorrow night.