Looking to Start with Meta777 as my Guide

[Metta777]

Hi Kent,

Could we just be reality itself, awareness itself with no separation at all. This river that was mentioned, is a deluge and could it be us as the expression of life living itself. That self is like a momentary shadow on the fabric of the whole and here is now. Look deeply around and see that there is awareness of this beautiful energy and we are that. There is no we,us,them, me,I, just scintillating energy manifesting ,transforming, no birth, no death. It is all a wonderful illusion. Sometimes it is in losing everything and standing at the greatest transition of all that it is finally seen. There is only this, radiating, loving, energy. Life. Kent is a story, a shadow on the wall, like making hand shadows of rabbits and horses.

Yes, it is almost like no list. no Kent. So much of the list has a moral quality and unfortunately adopting lots of these rules can also have the effect of strengthening the "I" by having a kind of self talk of I am a person that follows this moral code...

Love is moral by virtue of what it is. No list, of demands to be this or that. Does that smell like freedom? Dropping the list and just being alive, life. Throw away the chains. Are we good by default as a result of a list? Or does that cover the truth of the purity and beauty of our natural being?

Well thinking is part of living but real experiential living is a whole other richer part of life.

Thoughts are part of the illusion. Sit in total awareness without thought for as long as possible, feel, see, hear, smell.


Namaste and Love, Metta

[Look4light]

Hi Metta,

There is only this, radiating, loving, energy. Life. Kent is a story,

Love is moral by virtue of what it is. No list, of demands to be this or that.

So what you are saying here is that there is only loving energy, everything else is a story: no Kent, no personality, no events, no family, no things, no feelings, no thoughts, no time, no weather, no planet(s), no sun, no moon or are you saying that there is the mundane world and the super mundane world?

Love,

-Kent

"Time flies like an arrow but a banana flies like fruit".
-Groucho Marx

[Metta777]

Hi Kent,

So what you are saying here is that there is only loving energy, everything else is a story: no Kent, no personality, no events, no family, no things, no feelings, no thoughts, no time, no weather, no planet(s), no sun, no moon or are you saying that there is the mundane world and the super mundane world?

Is there a Kent? What is the experience of that? Look. Breath, smell, feel. Look without judgement, without labels, at the wall, the color of the wall, your hands, the fingernails, feel the temperature, your skin, what else is there? You see a flower and feel separate from it, but are You? Awareness doesn't end ,does it? There is the relative, the balance of the natural world, the illusion and then there is the absolute. This is about the existent, the experience of right NOW. Can there be a clearing of all the thoughts, all the noise in the head and just seeing Now? What I say is not the thing, it is what is experienced. I can point to it, but the experience has to be felt.
Thoughts arise, what about that moment in between before it is labeled, before emotions are attached, before the software kicks in. Love, metta

[Look4light]

Hello Metta,

Is there a Kent? What is the experience of that? Look. Breath, smell, feel. Look without judgement, without labels, at the wall, the color of the wall, your hands, the fingernails, feel the temperature, your skin, what else is there? You see a flower and feel separate from it, but are You? Awareness doesn't end ,does it? There is the relative, the balance of the natural world, the illusion and then there is the absolute. This is about the existent, the experience of right NOW. Can there be a clearing of all the thoughts, all the noise in the head and just seeing Now? What I say is not the thing, it is what is experienced. I can point to it, but the experience has to be felt.
Thoughts arise, what about that moment in between before it is labeled, before emotions are attached, before the software kicks in. Love, metta

Ooh you got me this time...whoever me is. Not a lot of room for Bullshit in the right NOW.

Traveling to the midwest tomorrow. I will try to post something but if not, it will be on the 4th.

Love to you,

-Kent

[Metta777]

Hi Kent,

A okay, got the message. Have a safe trip.
Love, metta

[Look4light]

Hi Metta,
I did a post at least I thought I did but it did seem to get through. As much as possible, on the trip with my wife to visit her mother, have been being aware of awareness for lack of better words. My mother-in-law has a habit of rambling on about the details of people's lives who I don't know. In past years, it got old pretty fast but staying in the now as much as possible (I have had to remind myself many times) and with some key breaks has made things much more enjoyable.
So this trip has been a good time to fall into the NOW where the falling into the (story) Kent can't seem to exist when this happens.
Sorry my last post did not get through
Love,
Kent

[Metta777]

Hi Kent,

In past years, it got old pretty fast but staying in the now as much as possible (I have had to remind myself many times) and with some key breaks has made things much more enjoyable.

Yes, exactly, because it is only happening now. People can bear up under anything if it is just happening now. So, do you feel you have seen? Living as awareness in the now , able to drop the Kent story?

Love, metta

[Look4light]

Hi Metta,

Please understand that I am writing this having had not such a great day. I am sure that I will wake up in better mood although my mood is not awful.

So, do you feel you have seen? Living as awareness in the now , able to drop the Kent story?

I feel that intellectually, I am able to drop the Kent story. What has been seen is that there is no proof of Kent. The look into conditioning is that it has been extensive and the stories that my mind concocts and spins is extensive as well. In contrast, that when "I" am in the moment, the stories disappear and relaxation happens. There is also the practice of my former guide had me do and you did too of looking at an object without placing labels. This was interesting in what i saw was what I previously described to you as dynamic pointilism: a kind of animated dot like patterns making up my vision field and I see this is a continuity between objects, people, whatever is in the field of vision. This animated pointilism is more pronounced in semi darkness as I noticed it last night, getting up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom.

There is also what you told me; that energy links everything that we are just energy. Very recently, I listened to an interview with Wayne Liquormen, who said that what we are are waves and these waves are part of or make up the sea but what we are taught is that we are (separate) drops. This makes a great deal of sense to me, it is not just that I heard something and I liked it, it is that the processing is still taking place it seems so powerful. Putting your energy explanation together with the waves metaphor is satisfying what another teacher (Unmani) calls the tech team (the mind's tech team is charged with making sure these things ring true to the mind).

All that said, today I woke up with a headache from some neck and shoulder problems I have and at a point today at work, walking with three people from there outside and stopping to tie my shoes, they kept walking at full pace and my mind interpreted this as rude and I told one of them such but I did not go on. People are not used to that kind of honesty.

So more ideally the snub would have not bothered this one and I am sure already having a headache played into it and probably there would have been times when it would not have bothered me much but today it did bother me.

So I see that a whole lot of progress has been made, I really do but there remains some stuff to dissolve. I just don't know how to quite dissolve it or if maybe it is okay to have that for awhile as perhaps it will dissolve by itself.

Love,

-Kent

[Metta777]

Hi Kent,

Interesting story about the people going on and the interpetation that was placed on that. Hmmmm, is what your mind told you a fact? What kind of mind story was there about being rude? How did you know that was what was intended? This is an aside from what is being done here, but thought it worth addressing.

Okay, when sitting quietly take a deep breath in, a couple of times if needed, slowly relax all your muscles. Now notice that there is witnessing by awareness. When the eyes are closed without seeing any objects there is still witnessing, correct? There is a presence as that which is hearing,smelling, feeling, etc. You are the clarity of presence whether objects are being seen or witnessed or not being seen. A steady presence always there, with or without thought.
You are not any observed object at all, rather, you are the open, spacious, boundless and brilliant clarity in which all objects arise. You couldn't even grasp or hold this clarity, for you are the very clarity in which these apparent attempts would arise.

Notice that as a witnessing presence there are no walls to contain you, no edges to be seen. There is only spacious awareness that is infinite. This doesn't need a lengthy period of time to do and using an image is sometimes good for awhile in the beginning. A mandala could be used, you can download and print one of the internet.

You might try one other thing that has some interesting results. Get a mirror in which you can see your full self and sit in front of it. Do this in a dark room, and backlight yourself with a candle in front of the mirror. Don't see the candle in the mirror only your body backlit by the light of it. Perhaps a low table or a box or something. Let me know the results of these.

Love, Metta

[Look4light]

Hi Metta,

Good point about my rudeness assumption.

Okay, when sitting quietly take a deep breath in, a couple of times if needed, slowly relax all your muscles. Now notice that there is witnessing by awareness. When the eyes are closed without seeing any objects there is still witnessing, correct? There is a presence as that which is hearing,smelling, feeling, etc. You are the clarity of presence whether objects are being seen or witnessed or not being seen. A steady presence always there, with or without thought.
You are not any observed object at all, rather, you are the open, spacious, boundless and brilliant clarity in which all objects arise. You couldn't even grasp or hold this clarity, for you are the very clarity in which these apparent attempts would arise.

Notice that as a witnessing presence there are no walls to contain you, no edges to be seen. There is only spacious awareness that is infinite. This doesn't need a lengthy period of time to do and using an image is sometimes good for awhile in the beginning. A mandala could be used, you can download and print one of the internet.

The awareness seems limited only by my sense's ability to hear, touch ,smell and in most cases see. So there are these kind of vinettes of awareness. i did not get to the use of the mandala here just closed my eyes...

You might try one other thing that has some interesting results. Get a mirror in which you can see your full self and sit in front of it. Do this in a dark room, and backlight yourself with a candle in front of the mirror. Don't see the candle in the mirror only your body backlit by the light of it. Perhaps a low table or a box or something. Let me know the results of these.

I went to our bedroom and it was daylight but the blinds were closed. So there was still some light coming through but not lots. I sat on a chair in front of a full length mirror on the closet door. So initially what I saw was my face and body and the back of my hair was backlit. So I am sure at night there would be different results but these results were very interesting.. My face kept changing sometimes to images that were not complementary. Sometimes complementary. I again saw the animated pointilism and stone sober, my face kept changing. Who is that, the mind wanted to ask. Why is it changing? What is this all about? There was no stability like these animated dots made one image, then another,then another. The mirror lied! : ) What is this all about if it just keeps changing. Which one is "right", the one I want to see or one of the others? Was it because it was kind of dark and I was staring or was reality closer to the changing images? It makes me wonder.

I am leaving very shortly to be at our cabin for a week to work on it with a carpenter friend and my wife. So I will just have the i-phone with me but that is okay we can still communicate. I ma not highly skilled in using it to type out letters but I can get by just probably not use as many words.

Love,

-Kent

[Metta777]

Hi Kent,

If what we perceive is all that there is physically I would say the results you saw in the mirror are pretty interesting. Something to think about.

I am going to describe looking at a tv screen, when looking at it off it is merely a black screen. when turned on a beautiful landscape appears with a person walking. During this time you forget that it is just a projection on the screen. A friend walks in and says to you, " Look at the screen!" Has the screen ever changed and aren't you looking at it already? But to your senses the screen has apparently changed. There is always a screen, it never changes, no matter what is projected onto it. Contemplate the simile here.

Also consider that no matter how long you look at someones face, when you don't see them you cannot get a clear sharp picture of them. Why would that be?

Which one is "right", the one I want to see or one of the others? Was it because it was kind of dark and I was staring or was reality closer to the changing images? It makes me wonder.

Perhaps they are all right or none are right? Couldn't it be just a projection of the mind/ego? Love, metta

[Metta777]

Hi Kent,

I think this has lost momentum here and there is no daily contact as agreed to. Regards, Metta

[Look4light]

Sorry about no contacting. I worked until late at night here at the cabin.
I have been pondering your question about why we can't remember or rather visualize someones face. My theory is that a face is what someone projects themselves onto or through and others project their own image upon. These images are always different from the person wearing the face. On top of that, the face changes through different expressions. So there is no consistency and because it is the entry way for communication, it is kind of loaded perhaps it is a tiny bit like the TV screen you refer to as well we place our projections upon and our projections are slightly changing
Love,
Kent

[Metta777]

Hi Kent,


Doesn't that mean there is no self?? :-) That awareness in,out,around, always there is the only true being? Love, metta

[Look4light]

Hi Metta.

Doesn't that mean there is no self?? :-) That awareness in,out,around, always there is the only true being?

I think so. I think so.
But there is confusion here of what awareness is. Is it what witnesses? Is it the result or the embodiment of witnessing. Is it just the groove of life when the I fiction is dropped? Is it just what is?

Love,
Kent