Any guides available I am ready

[Now23]

I have seen and felt it I am ready for a guide .Please help expend again.

[Metta777]

Hello Now23,

I will guide you if you like. Please read the disclaimer and agree to it. Also, agree to lay aside any preconceptions you might have about religion or other spiritual practices temporarily. Meditation is fine. Let me know what your expectations are and what led you to LU and a little about yourself.

Thank you, Regards, Metta

[Now23]

Hi thank you for replying well , I have gone to 2 meetings with Elena after the second one
Nothing happened I did not expect anything to happen but the next they I woke up with this
Understanding of everything oneness I could see everything clearly and feel unnecessary existence Of self
The whole thing lasted till the end of the day
Fallowing day I completely retracted and the stare was gone.
Now I am at the point where I would like to continue . I understand the would I experienced was a state I have tried self inquiry but got stock so this is where I am.

[Now23]

As for as my expectations are I don't have any besides
Wanting to clearly see what is ,seeing thru a illusion .

[Now23]

About me :
In terms of seeking I have been a recreational seeker till about
2 years ago when I started really intensively seek ,meditate ,obe(very close but not quite out),
Working with binaural beats etc.and them I came across non dualism and got pulled in .

[Metta777]

Hi, You can't have more then one guide at a time on here, since you posted for a guide again, I am assuming you wish to find someone else. Good Luck, Regards, Metta

[Now23]

No I the beginning I had no redponse so I posted again
And that when the confusion started I apologized to the other guide
And told him what happened and now I lost you
Ok then

[Metta777]

Hi Now,

This is at least three threads you have posted for guides. I responded to you the same day. I mentioned you needed a guide, don't post anymore threads for a guides. I mentioned also that you had worked with Elena and might want to again. I will leave it up to them what they wish to do here. thanks, Metta

[Metta777]

Hi Now,

So you thought you had seen with Elena and then fell back?? Can you explain what happened? I am familiar with bi-nural beats. Do you have any spiritual practice other then meditation? If so try to put that aside for now, except for meditation, which is fine.
If I said you had no self,what do you think of that? We need daily contact, except for Sundays , you can get a break there. Just try to answer the questions as openly and honestly as possible and do any exercises set for you. I wasn't upset, just trying to let you know the rules of the forum.

Warm Regards, Metta

[Now23]

Hi Metta thank you . You can call me now or chris(middle name) which ever one feels better .
Couple of months ego I went to short meeting with Elena did not think much of it then , very shortly after that I went to a intensive one it felt nice .Afterwords I went home and when I woke up the next day I had this full understanding of oneness ,no self was just a no brainer my outlook at everything was very positive and I was kind of laughing at myself for being fearful at times etc. The very next day I completely retracted ,it felt like the whole previous day was just a dream that I remembered very well but that was it. So I probably entered some kind of state not awakening but anyway this convinced me that it is not just pure concept (talk),it can be experienced . I don't have any spiritual practice very rarely meditate but I do , and intensively explore all non dual teachers teachings.
So if you said I had no self. Conceptually a while ago I would disagree but I have looked in to it and it looks like a bundle of thoughts creates a person as self and of course we think we are somebodies but in reality it is just cluster of thoughts combined with experience . On the other hand if I don't remind myself of it I am this entity residing in my body who tries to control my life and also other people at times .
Ego shows up and every time that happens resisting starts happening I start analyzing the future start to fear events that might happen , completely sometimes leaving the present moment out of the loop , and I use to immerse myself in that state of thinking for a while .Not so much lately .So the understanding is present but in reality I am definitely not where I would like to be.

[Metta777]

Hi Chris,

I woke up the next day I had this full understanding of oneness ,no self was just a no brainer my outlook at everything was very positive and I was kind of laughing at myself for being fearful at times etc.

If possible use the quote function, if you haven't used it before to respond if there is something I said in particular you want to respond too.
This sentence is interesting above. " I woke up." Who was it that woke up? There is an understanding of what was said, just challenging the thought process here a little.

When thoughts are stopped what is still there all the time? When you are asleep what makes you wake up? Are there any examples of awareness without thought that can be spotted around the environment?

Thinking now of watching tv, you look at the screen, and it is just black, nothing on it. Then after turning it on, a nice picture of a man and his dog appears. Has the screen actually changed? Then forgetting that it is a movie something happens to the mans' pet and you start to feel sad. You have identified with the man in the movie. A friend walks in and shouts, " Look at the screen." Awareness is the screen. It stays the same no matter what pictures appear on it. a girl and her mother, a man and his wife, 2 dogs and a cat.

Anxiety is a state caused by thinking there is a future. Is there? If there is no self and the future is projected thought on the screen that may or may not happen what happens to the thoughts once they are thought? Can a thought think itself ? The past is dead right? The moment it happens, it dies and is reborn into the present. so subtracting past and future what is left? Just respond to the questions and thoughts pointed to as well as you can.

Warm Regards, Metta

[Now23]

Hi Metta

Who was it that woke up?

The being which is me my body-mind that's how I see it as of now .

When thoughts are stopped what is still there all the time

When the thoughts are stopped the awareness is present always is ,when I am asleep awareness wakes me up another example would be ,I think that when I am driving and talking to a friend at the same time ,awareness makes sure I see signs make turns etc, another would be that awareness brings you back from day dreaming ,well also when you look just on the surface it is the stillness that thoughts emanate from.

Anxiety is a state caused by thinking there is a future. Is there?

There is no future everything happens in the now but the events presenting themselves create the illusion of the future.

If there is no self and the future is projected thought on the screen that may or may not happen what happens to the thoughts once they are thought?

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Thoughts ones they are thought they disappear for ever or they attach themselves to already existing cluster of thoughts for future references ,but if there is no self thoughts just come and go with out anchoring themselves in the mind.

Can thought think itself?

The thought can not think itself thought appears in awareness .

The past is dead right? The moment it happens, it dies and is reborn into the present.

If the past is dead and is reborn in the presents then it does not really die it stays in the present as long as we allow it to and sometimes is for ever.

so subtracting past and future what is left?

And of course subtracting past and the future will leave as only with present. but if the present keeps giving birth to the past this can keep us living in the past which happens at times .

[Metta777]

Hi Now,

Yes, when thoughts are stopped, awareness is always present, correct. So then it follows that you are not your thoughts, correct?

If the past is dead and is reborn in the presents then it does not really die it stays in the present as long as we allow it to and sometimes is for ever.

Misunderstanding. The past moment dies, as soon as a thought is thought it is gone,as soon as a moment happens it is gone. It only exists as an electro -chemical impulse in the wrinkles of your brain. Called memory. The Present is always Present. The rebirth I spoke of is the Present, but it is always here. The illusion is that the past changes to the present. There is in reality no past or future.

Check it out how reliable memory is. Look in the mirror for as long as you like, now walk away and try to remember exactly how your face looks. Or someone you haven't seen in a long while, can you remember exactly how they look? Let me know the results and why you think the results are that way.

Even when someone is arrested for a crime, the police interviewing suspects will get different descriptions of the same thing. why wouldn't the descriptions match if they saw the same thing?

Is awareness also present outside of you? Or just in you? Is everything aware? Does awareness need an identity? Warm Regards, Metta

[Now23]

Hi Metta

Check it out how reliable memory is. Look in the mirror for as long as you like, now walk away and try to remember exactly how your face looks.

I have to agree memory is not a very reliable tool and also the way we view depends how we see it , the intensity of light can dramatically distort what we see and there for our memory will store distorted version of our face.
And remembering somebody's face : in the beginning we think we remember but after sometime what we remember changes slightly with out us realizing it and the image of the person becomes completely new ,only slightly resembling original image.

Is awareness also present outside of you? Or just in you? Is everything aware? Does awareness need an identity?

I thing awareness is present everywhere in me out side of me .
Awareness experiences and expresses itself thru me thru all the beings.
Awareness does not need identity course awareness is everything and no thing at the same time.

[Metta777]

Hi Now,

I thing awareness is present everywhere in me out side of me .
Awareness experiences and expresses itself thru me thru all the beings.
Awareness does not need identity course awareness is everything and no thing at the same time.

Does awareness think? Or is it just aware with no identity? While sitting quietly looking , not thinking, can a self be found? Or is it manufactured by thoughts? without thoughts what is left? Take a walk for 10 or 15 minutes or as long as you like, notice breathing, seeing, smelling, hearing, colors, do you need to think to be aware of them?

Love, Metta