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[Konrad]

Hen we are not arguing here. Liberation Unleashed serves one purpose and one purpose only: guiding people to SEE for themselves that there is no separate self.

Do you want to see this?

If yes then tell me does the body experiences the experience, OR is the body just another experience? Really look, how is it?

If no, then we are wasting time here.

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Konrad]

Hey Hen,

How's it going?

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

I am not arguing but your questions are really rather stupid and now you seem to be topping that off by being rude

I understand the purpose of liberation unleashed and I read some of the literature and watched a film on my computer

If you are guiding me I suggest you get on with it especially if it is as obvious as you say it is and yes I want to see this I have been meditating for many years but your approach seems very interesting

I do not understand the next thing you said because the sentence structure is not correct English but I think you are asking if the body is just another experience but there would not be an experience if there was no body so the body is experiences the experience but the body is also one of the experiences so my answer is both

Hen

[Konrad]

How can body be BOTH experiencer of the experience and at the same time be one of THE experiences?

If it's one of the experiences, how can it HAVE experience at the same time, is it possible?

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

of course it is possible I can hold my left hand with my right hand and have an experience of my right hand with my left hand and an experience of my left hand with my right hand because there are over a hundred billion neurons in a human body so I think one nerve can experience another nerve and they are my nerves so I am experiencing them

Hen

[Konrad]

Is your right hand having the experience of left hand?

Or is there just an experience of right hand touching left hand?

Is there an experiencer separate from experience? If yes, where is the experiencer, can you point with your finger to the experiencer and say it's *there* ?

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

it depends how I hold my hands I suppose because one part of the hand has more nerve endings than the other part so the hand with the most significant nerves overrides the experience I am having in the other hand unless I really concentrate

there is much more than an experience of hand touching hand there is also an experience of me having the experience and I do exist and it feels like a separate thing to me

are you saying experience experiencer and experienced are the same thing because that is not how I sense it here

Hen

[Konrad]

In direct experience, can you find the "I" which experiences the experience?

[Hen]

what does in direct experience mean exactly and what experiences are not direct experiences

if you can define it for me I can answer your question

Hen

[Konrad]

Direct experience is everything that is happening, everything that IS, right NOW. Sensations, Thought, and the unmistakable sensation of being alive/aware (Presence, Being).

Base your answers on Direct Experience, and Direct Experience only.

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

I am sorry I still do not understand what direct experience is but perhaps based on what you have just said I do have a direct experience of the I which experiences things

Hen

[Konrad]

Ok, where is this "I"? What does the "I", "me" word point to, here and now?

Does word "I" refer to anything in direct experience?

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Hen]

this reminds me of talking to somebody foreign who thinks by repeating the phrase over and over and louder that the person who does not understand them will suddenly understand

louder will not work

I have stated quite clearly that I still do not understand what direct experience is, or what distinguished a direct experience from an experience which is not a direct one

do you actually know what you mean by direct experience or are you just parroting someone else who has said it to you

can we please work on this idea of direct experience first and when I am sure I understand what it is you are actually asking me then I can look and I can see and give you a proper answer

at the moment I really have no idea what on earth you are asking me to do

Hen

[Konrad]

I have provided a very clear description of what the direct experience is. Three posts above your last one.

Do you have any intensions to actually look at my questions, and ponder on them?

What stops you?

Sending Love,
Konrad

[Konrad]

Also, there is a whole article on this matter, you can check it out by clicking on the link below this line:
http://www.liberationunleashed.com/Arti ... ience.html
Hope it helps

Sending Love,
Konrad