ok we have a question from a fellow guide. it's a good one! something I don't think we discussed: free will.
Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
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That is a really good question. Thank you for it (or the fellow guide) - 'cause just the process of examination makes things clearer. And somehow I haven't examined it so far.
I need some more time to look and check how it works. There are some simple answers but I need to dig deeper, there's something more. I feel that there's something more...
I need some more time to look and check how it works. There are some simple answers but I need to dig deeper, there's something more. I feel that there's something more...
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otterrivers
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yes. for example, decisions appear to happen, but what "makes" the decision? Something happens and we think something else could've happened. is this true? say I have a plan to go to a meeting then I do not go. mind habitually says "I decided not to go" and seems to make a story called "why" in order to claim experience. let this sink in. inquire. watch life. tell me tomorrow what you find. is there free will? if so, is there "one who has" free will? happy exploring :) <3
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Exploring that question was unusually .... liberating and joyous :). I didn't expect that...
Before my experience was rather neutral, but the question made a slight shift towards loving unlimited Awareness, peaceful joy, being embraced and letting go like at mother's arms. I suppose for religious people this must be God-like or something like "being in light", but that's the Awareness itself - that's "me/us" which is not "I"/self. Each time I ask the question "who's in charge here?" it happens again, intellect/emotions going somewhere into nowhere and just being and at the same time being embraced by loving Awareness... It's always been there in charge of (decision) making process. It brings back harmony and peace to the experience. The thoughts about decisions (I decide to do sth) are nothing and must dissolve if they don't align with Awareness. If Awareness does something, the energy, thoughts and "free" will appear to do it. They are all movements in the Awareness... My story and perspective and findings are a part of the Awareness. Not essential at all :)
It is weird... Maybe I got crazy in the meantime ? ;) "I" is crazy by itself so it must be true :):).
Before my experience was rather neutral, but the question made a slight shift towards loving unlimited Awareness, peaceful joy, being embraced and letting go like at mother's arms. I suppose for religious people this must be God-like or something like "being in light", but that's the Awareness itself - that's "me/us" which is not "I"/self. Each time I ask the question "who's in charge here?" it happens again, intellect/emotions going somewhere into nowhere and just being and at the same time being embraced by loving Awareness... It's always been there in charge of (decision) making process. It brings back harmony and peace to the experience. The thoughts about decisions (I decide to do sth) are nothing and must dissolve if they don't align with Awareness. If Awareness does something, the energy, thoughts and "free" will appear to do it. They are all movements in the Awareness... My story and perspective and findings are a part of the Awareness. Not essential at all :)
It is weird... Maybe I got crazy in the meantime ? ;) "I" is crazy by itself so it must be true :):).
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Ah, examples.
The day before yesterday "I" decided to sit to meditation. It was impossible for me for the last xx months to sit in meditation and suddenly I just sat down by some impulse and meditation happened, not different from everyday life, just there was more time to let thoughts dissappear and see mind clearer.
Afterwards (who decided that it was finished? - "I" certainly not - but there was an unmistakable feeling that sitting is over) I decided to do some formal practice from buddhist tradition. I thought about it but nothing happened, there was a big "OVER" in mind and it was impossible to start any practice. There appeared a thought that it is how it goes with the decisions :).
As regards small neutral everyday decisions - they are taken almost automatically basing on the conditionning: past thoughts, emotions so called attitudes / inclinations present in mindstream.
The day before yesterday "I" decided to sit to meditation. It was impossible for me for the last xx months to sit in meditation and suddenly I just sat down by some impulse and meditation happened, not different from everyday life, just there was more time to let thoughts dissappear and see mind clearer.
Afterwards (who decided that it was finished? - "I" certainly not - but there was an unmistakable feeling that sitting is over) I decided to do some formal practice from buddhist tradition. I thought about it but nothing happened, there was a big "OVER" in mind and it was impossible to start any practice. There appeared a thought that it is how it goes with the decisions :).
As regards small neutral everyday decisions - they are taken almost automatically basing on the conditionning: past thoughts, emotions so called attitudes / inclinations present in mindstream.
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yes. you can see there is an intelligence much better than thinking. :)
I am seeing if there are any more questions then I will get back to you very soon.
I am seeing if there are any more questions then I will get back to you very soon.
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That is totally crazy. I got so happy because of being present in the awareness like a child. I'm just sitting with a stupid smile on my face :D :D :D.... :D
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ok we are done. :)
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