Guidance requested.

[idomebutami]

Something we look for to see if someone "gets it" or not. :)

Do you think "i' have "got" that there is no-one to get anything?

I do. Relativistically speaking of course.

[Chris]

Something we look for to see if someone "gets it" or not. :)

Do you think "i' have "got" that there is no-one to get anything?

I do. Relativistically speaking of course.

Your posts today certainly give me the impression that you've seen it, though you haven't really said what it is that clicked. Can you say what happened that you experienced this new clarity?

[idomebutami]

It was reversing the perspective on what is "seen". Realizing that objects don't have to appear TO someone or the "senses". Realizing the illusion of all of the senses. I was relying way to much on the "fact of the sensory faculties" to reinforce this sense of an individual awareness, when in fact the illusory "fact of the senses" relies entirely on what already IS.

Ive been working all day...starting to lose a little grip on the seeing of all of this, but of course I wont be able to forget it. (This natural?)

I suppose this is the "efforting" part he mentions on the Anatta site. I just have to keep with the seeing of this and keep allowing this openness while my non-dual understanding matures.

I have a more relativistic question for you once you've reviewed the above.

[Chris]

It was reversing the perspective on what is "seen". Realizing that objects don't have to appear TO someone or the "senses". Realizing the illusion of all of the senses. I was relying way to much on the "fact of the sensory faculties" to reinforce this sense of an individual awareness, when in fact the illusory "fact of the senses" relies entirely on what already IS.

Ive been working all day...starting to lose a little grip on the seeing of all of this, but of course I wont be able to forget it. (This natural?)

I suppose this is the "efforting" part he mentions on the Anatta site. I just have to keep with the seeing of this and keep allowing this openness while my non-dual understanding matures.

I have a more relativistic question for you once you've reviewed the above.

It hasn't been my experience that just because you see this it becomes effortless. I'm 2 1/2 years in and am still learning and my perspective continues to shift.

If you would like, we can do the LU questions again and have the other guides go over it for "confirmation".

[idomebutami]

If validation of this "seeing" is something that is valued by this forum than I will honor that process, otherwise im indifferent.

Today was the first of its type for me...excitement has seemed to replace seeking.

[Chris]

Here are the questions again. Answer if you would like. Confirmation will get you blue in case you feel like guiding and will grant you access to the LU facebook groups if you're interested.

1) Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works.

3) How does it feel to see this?

4) How would you describe it to somebody who is very interested, but has never heard about this illusion.

5) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

I'm glad to hear that excitement has replaced seeking. Please feel free to ask me any questions that may come up. If you do decide to answer the questions, I'll be interested to see if any of your answers have changed since the other day. :)

[idomebutami]

Answers:

1) No and No. Just this crazy illusion of one. Its incredible actually.

2) The illusion of a separate self is only the experience of the thought that says "self". In that respect, it is as empty as my name, but as alive as existence. It started as soon as an illusory "awareness of senses" took its cue from the just-isness of Reality.

3) Its pretty funny. Im excited to continue allowing it to unfold. Lots of questions still about the nature of Is-ness, but one thing at a time.

4) "Hey guess what, everything you think about Reality isn't real, but in-fact it is real, just your not real, but actually the illusion of a you is real." haha, would that work? Essentially everyones understanding is different so you have to match their illusion to some degree in order to plant this little seed.

5) The senses are an illusion. There is not actual experience of a sense called sight, you don't actually experience SEEING, theres only what IS as made evident by form and objects.

[idomebutami]

So...im feeling a bit like a state between liquid and solid. Its pleasant, and most of the "seriousness" of "life" has seemed to evaporate a bit. I have more energy, more positive energy than before; probably because of the energetic re-investment from the release of most of the seeker. Truly, discovery is now the theme of my spirituality, and for the first time..the mind is not running to me with demands to KNOW more about "this". I now know something that cant be known, and the mind seems ok with that. I suppose its hit its borders. I have always tended to rush things and to incessantly pursue them, but for the first time this feels like something that must unfold, like a flower, you wouldn't want to force the pedals open.

Before the seeing of this, I prescribed to sort of a "The Secret" approach to life... intentions and beliefs manifesting, and thoughts constructing reality and so forth. So I guess my question is, how should one, with right wisdom, maneuver through the apparent relative once this illusion of the relative has been seen but is still operant as a major part of my experience of reality? I am also finding that relativistic (personal) emotional frictions are still being felt, but instantly there is this recognition of them almost not as mine but as the universes..? Im sure this is all just inertia from believing I'm a person my whole life...?

[Chris]

So...im feeling a bit like a state between liquid and solid. Its pleasant, and most of the "seriousness" of "life" has seemed to evaporate a bit. I have more energy, more positive energy than before; probably because of the energetic re-investment from the release of most of the seeker. Truly, discovery is now the theme of my spirituality, and for the first time..the mind is not running to me with demands to KNOW more about "this". I now know something that cant be known, and the mind seems ok with that. I suppose its hit its borders. I have always tended to rush things and to incessantly pursue them, but for the first time this feels like something that must unfold, like a flower, you wouldn't want to force the pedals open.

Before the seeing of this, I prescribed to sort of a "The Secret" approach to life... intentions and beliefs manifesting, and thoughts constructing reality and so forth. So I guess my question is, how should one, with right wisdom, maneuver through the apparent relative once this illusion of the relative has been seen but is still operant as a major part of my experience of reality? I am also finding that relativistic (personal) emotional frictions are still being felt, but instantly there is this recognition of them almost not as mine but as the universes..? Im sure this is all just inertia from believing I'm a person my whole life...?

I have found meditation helpful. It's calmed me down considerably. As for what you should do, well...actions will flow from thought and now thought will be colored with this new understanding. When I feel emotions building in reaction to thought/experience I look to see what belief/thought preceeded the emotional reaction. It seems to have the effect of diffusing the emotional charge.

I also find reading about and contemplating these realizations useful for "dismantling" the delusion that still arises due to conditioning and tendencies. I find that site that I linked you very useful. You might like to join the FB groups and see if you feel it will be beneficial to discuss with others who've been through LU. PM me if you have a FB user ID.