Guidance requested.

[idomebutami]

Question: In moments of inquiry...is asking the question...What does seeing (as in, just the verb itself..and not so much "what" is seen) appear to, or...to what does life appear to.. are those practical questions to hold?

[idomebutami]

And this is a potential point of a struggle for me...because I know...through my acquired spiritual knowledge, that what I am is Oneness. But with exercises like the one I mentioned just above, I am essentially resting on the thinnest layer of objectivity on my pursuit of pure subjectivity, by bifurcating the subjective aspects from the objective aspects of my current experience. But thats not Oneness. I can do it now. I can type and then know that there is typing happening within this space within which I observe life. I can stand back and observe all motion/life...but it almost feels like its an aspect of inner vision that gets presented what the eyes are seeing and the ears are hearing and so forth.

Its like all of this sensory input based life is being observed from some static...unchanging "place"...

[Chris]

And this is a potential point of a struggle for me...because I know...through my acquired spiritual knowledge, that what I am is Oneness.

Drop what you think you know. You are not oneness, you do not exist.

But with exercises like the one I mentioned just above, I am essentially resting on the thinnest layer of objectivity on my pursuit of pure subjectivity, by bifurcating the subjective aspects from the objective aspects of my current experience. But thats not Oneness. I can do it now. I can type and then know that there is typing happening within this space within which I observe life. I can stand back and observe all motion/life...but it almost feels like its an aspect of inner vision that gets presented what the eyes are seeing and the ears are hearing and so forth.

Its like all of this sensory input based life is being observed from some static...unchanging "place"...

Non-duality means no subject/object split, not "all is one". Nothing is static, there is only ever movement, there is no unchanging "place" to go. There is nothing in experience that is more what is than whatever experience is at the moment. There is nowhere to go or to rest that is superior to what is as it is. There is only ever the THOUGHT that there is and that thought CREATES the search.

That calm, quiet experience between thoughts is simply another experience. You have a belief that it is superior and is the goal and so you suffer for not "being there" all of the time. This is not about reaching a state but dropping the belief that there is a superior state to be reached. There is no you that could abide in a permanent, superior state. There is just experience of senses and thought. No subject/object split.

[idomebutami]

In my direct experience it almost seems as if the senses appear to some inner knowingness/vision that is actually independent of them (senses)...

What are your feelings on this?

Thanks

[Chris]

In my direct experience it almost seems as if the senses appear to some inner knowingness/vision that is actually independent of them (senses)...

What are your feelings on this?

Thanks

My understanding is that it appears this way based on a propensity to view the world in a subject/object framework and that this propensity is a "wrong view" of what's actually going on. Are sights and sounds separate from awareness, or are they mutually arising? Is there actually a division, or just an apparent one based on your current worldview? Do you see how senses appearing TO a knowingness is a division of something that in actuality is indivisible? All mind stuff, all stories that arise after the fact and create a narrative of "how this works".

The transition from a little self that resides in the body, to a big cosmic Self that experiences all are simply "steps on the journey" to the realization that there is no division, nothing outside of what is experienced. There is just experience, experienced by no one and nothing. ZERO separation.

And, by discussing this, I am telling you a story. As soon as the point is made, the pointer must be dropped and not adoped as fact and a new belief. See how messy this becomes?!

[idomebutami]

Yes, messy indeed. I understand tho.

Im starting to catch the ego as it labels what is occuring spontaneously...but...there isnt a me catching anything...but that is more of a beleif than an experience. How do i escape this blasted linear objective realm...?

[Chris]

Im starting to catch the ego as it labels what is occuring spontaneously...

There is no ego that labels what is occurring. There is labeling happening.

but...there isnt a me catching anything...but that is more of a beleif than an experience.

There is just thought after thought after thought. Remember, we're not looking for an experience, just noticing how things play out.

ex. Experience of hand touching cup. Thought (labeling)"I touched the cup". Thought "there is no I, ego is just labeling". etc.

The label is not the actual and the actual is just sensory experience. Then thoughts arise about the sensory experience and name the "players" and tell a story of "what's going on". Thoughts and sensory experiences are self-liberating. There is nothing that needs to be done about them. They just are. The thoughts contain stories about what is happening, but IT"S JUST A STORY!

How do i escape this blasted linear objective realm...?

There is no you to escape anything. There is just this, as it is, in each moment. Stop believing the story that there is something that a you needs to do to "escape this blasted linear objective realm". Everything as it is is all there is and there is nowhere else to go or any you to go there!! :)

[idomebutami]

Thank your for that last post. Helpful.

So I had an iteresting moment this morning. I was looking out the window trying to see if there is a difference between seeing and awareness, and how there is no true distance at which we perceive "distant objects"...and it slowly began to crystalize for me that there is no mountain out there down the road...there is only the current experience of the "mountain", and the next moments experience of the "mountain"..BUT, all apparent experiences and moments are only snap shots of what is contant and alive and NOW. Which is this contant unfolding of Creation. Life/Reality/Creation does not exist past this moment, so to realize this and to slow down is to essentially postion my awareness on the edge of the razor blade of Presence. I know that I am using a lot of sujective object type language, but I feel like this has been a pretty profound relization for me that life is CURRENTLY UNFOLDING right in front of my eyes, all that is left is to lose interest in the pictures the mind is feeding me. But I truly do feel this incredible closeness to life/living now... and i can see how everything can be seen as perfect within this sort of perspective.

Of course there are no perspectives, only this constant aliveness.

[idomebutami]

Wrote this upon the above experience:

Life has not yet unfolded beyond this exact present moment. There is no "down the road from here" There is only the exact present moment experience. I am that verb of creative constancy.

I am simply watching a >1 sec delayed image. I am the image. The sense of individuality automatically sets up the objective paradigm. So instead of just Being Reality, I am watching an image of reality.

Now, if I realize that I, sense of self, AM only the delayed image of reality...than I suppose I just need to quit caring about all images. In order to BE reality I need to become uninterested in me, completely.

[Chris]

Life has not yet unfolded beyond this exact present moment. There is no "down the road from here" There is only the exact present moment experience.

It seems you've seen that future is simply a mental construct. Good. What about past?

I am that verb of creative constancy.

Would it be more accurate to say that a you that thinks and acts and experiences is also just a mental construct in the present moment?

I am simply watching a >1 sec delayed image.

Is there really a you watching, or is there just experience and then a thought that there is a you that experienced following the experience?

I am the image. The sense of individuality automatically sets up the objective paradigm. So instead of just Being Reality, I am watching an image of reality.

Is "I am watching an image of reality" just a thought?

Now, if I realize that I, sense of self, AM only the delayed image of reality...than I suppose I just need to quit caring about all images. In order to BE reality I need to become uninterested in me, completely.

Interest does not have to be dropped, just the belief that there is a you that is separate from what is (completely effortless experience and thought). There is no volition, there is no you separate from sensory experience and thought. Only a thought that claims that there is. There is no inherently existent you.

This is all about deconstructing erroneous beliefs. You did it with future, now apply that same deconstruction skill to past and self and let me know what you find.

[Chris]

Hi David, are you stil looking?

[idomebutami]

Yes, but for the last few days i have been looking at life very freshly. In seeing that "life" MUST be a CONSTANT expression so much becomes beautiful and so much more becomes irrelevent. Within this new context even the reactions and words of the ego are just part of the constant expression of Existence. Im finding that this sense of self is the source of this idea of "me", and that this "me" is only a natural expression of the wonder of existence.

Im watching some very subtle shiftings around the idea that all that is known IS awareness, so essentially all of existence is awareness/is what I am. Right now all of that is still a projection...so im not really rushing it to become a living truth.

I had some questions for you, but I dont want to distrupt this peace that is present with excessive mentation, but I will send them to you later.

Thanks for checking in :)

[idomebutami]

There is the realization that all form/objects point back to That which informs its existence by virtue of knowing that it exists. Is that right?

There is the understanding that all form is the superimposition of projections on top of an otherwise timeless expression of existence. Now, this expression/existence is experienced through the senses right, or better yet...as the senses? So Existence is known as the Senses?

So, if one transcends the mind, thus preventing the overlay of projections and thereby inhibiting the creation of form over this otherwise constant expression, what than happens to the senses and how they "report" back. Example: I know that this isn't really a keyboard, its a collection of sensory information coupled with assumptions about "how reality works". SO, once mind is transcended, what is the experience of these sensory experiences I used to call a keyboard? You hear so much that this world is an illusion, but to what extent can that every be realized? Will the lines and letters still be experienced? Will the smoothness and the tactility of the "plastic" still be felt? Only absent of ALL form? I ask only to relieve a seeming paradox in my understanding.

I know realization doesn't occur through understanding, but having a clean house surely makes things appear easier.

[Chris]

There is the realization that all form/objects point back to That which informs its existence by virtue of knowing that it exists. Is that right?

There is no That which knows. The conventional distinction between knower and known is a mental construct only. The knower is just as empty as the known. Neither exists except conventionally.

There is the understanding that all form is the superimposition of projections on top of an otherwise timeless expression of existence. Now, this expression/existence is experienced through the senses right, or better yet...as the senses? So Existence is known as the Senses?

Existence is known as both the senses and thought.

So, if one transcends the mind, thus preventing the overlay of projections and thereby inhibiting the creation of form over this otherwise constant expression, what than happens to the senses and how they "report" back. Example: I know that this isn't really a keyboard, its a collection of sensory information coupled with assumptions about "how reality works". SO, once mind is transcended, what is the experience of these sensory experiences I used to call a keyboard? You hear so much that this world is an illusion, but to what extent can that every be realized? Will the lines and letters still be experienced? Will the smoothness and the tactility of the "plastic" still be felt? Only absent of ALL form? I ask only to relieve a seeming paradox in my understanding.

This is not about transcending the story, but just seeing it for what it is. Things are not solid and separate like we believe them to be.

[idomebutami]

This is not about transcending the story, but just seeing it for what it is. Things are not solid and separate like we believe them to be.

Please elaborate on that.