Self-intro

[AnEternalNow]

Hello, just a self-intro, I was not very active in RuthlessTruth (more active in my own Buddhist forum in SgForums, and TheTaoBums, DharmaOverground, DharmaWheel etc) though I was given blue status by Ciaran in the old forum and did post a few post there.

I come from a Buddhist background and I was not liberated by anyone from the RuthlessTruth community - I consider my liberator to be 'Thusness', i.e. http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/ ... ience.html

Basically, I have realized in October 2010 that there never was a self, or a seer that is seeing the seen, so in seeing there is always just the experience of sight, scenery, shapes, colours and forms, no experiencer, agent, seer, doer, controller, whatsoever. What's seen can never be unseen, i.e. it is a permanent realization of the way things have always been, not a temporary state or peak experience.

After that realization I wrote an article on the Buddhist sutta that I contemplated on which led to my realization:

http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/ ... sutta.html

[Damon Kamda]

Welcome to Liberation Unleashed. It's a pleasure to have you here.

Thanks for the introduction. I'm sure there'll be some questions coming in for you from various members here.

So, what brings you here exactly? That doesn't become clear from your post.

Also, how would you describe the no self realisation to a complete noob?

Thanks!

[AnEternalNow]

Hello, first of all it is a joy to read the discussions here, secondly if I have time to chime in I might add my 2 cents (but I am in army* now and replying from my phone on free time, so it is not easy for me to post a lot). Also the immediate cause that brought this forum to my attention is that someone in the facebook group among liberated posted my blog there so it registered in my statistics, so I was then led to this forum.

I would describe no self as such: There is no self. Hearing is, no hearer. Seeing is, no seer. Deeds are, no doer. The very position, notion, belief, and stance in a self in any way is utterly unfounded and can be seen through with some investigation into the truth of no self.

In long: there is no self in any shape or form, whether as an unchanging personality (so called personality is just everchanging thoughts and behaviours, albeit with an apparently habitual pattern but does not actually imply a person), as a perceiver behind perception (perceiving is actually happening/manifesting on its own accord due to the meeting of sense organ, sense object and an instant of consciousness, without a perceiver, plus in seeing there is just the textures, shapes, colours and forms and in hearing just the audible tones and sounds, etc), as a doer of deeds (I am not the driver of the car - my actions and intentions are utterly the result of the car, steering wheel, engine, the cars in front and beside, light, and innumerable causes and conditions that comes together and impersonally manifest as the function of driving without a driver), thinker of thought (you can't even know what the next moment of thought is, so how can the notion that thought arise from a thinker be possible), are utterly untenable.

*i am stil serving my compulsory two year national service in Singapore.

[AnEternalNow]

Is there no edit feature in this forum?

[Damon Kamda]

Thanks for that, AnEternalNow.

Seems clear to me. I've asked some others to read your stuff to see if there's any questions.

Otherwise, it'll be wonderful to have you here. I'm sure you could provide some interesting perspectives on all of this and perhaps help guide others to the clear seeing of no self.

The edit function has been disabled on purpose. We've found that, primarily in One-on-One conversations, people tend to backtrack their posts and edit afterwards, whereas we find it quite important to keep the posts as they were originally written. Also, it forces people to properly think before they actually post...

[Damon Kamda]

Something did come up, AnEternalNow.

Could you describe this realisation from an experiential perspective? You're obviously a very good writer with a strong conceptual bent, yet we're also very interested in your actual experience? What's the difference "before" and "after"? How does it feel to be liberated?

Thanks for taking the time to do this.

[Ilona]

I enjoyed reading your posts, aneternalnow, it's great to connect.
I have just one question that interests me at this point, how would you describe this seeing to somebody who have never heard of it before, what would you say to a sixteenyearold?

[AnEternalNow]

I enjoyed reading your posts, aneternalnow, it's great to connect.
I have just one question that interests me at this point, how would you describe this seeing to somebody who have never heard of it before, what would you say to a sixteenyearold?

there is no you, the notion and sense of self is delusional. Hearing/sound is happening but no you hearing sound, seeing/sight is happening but no you seeing the scenery, thinking happens but never a you that thinks thought. Even the thought that this is me, I am, etc is simply a thought without thinker. It operates purely via delusion rather than out of a real self or thinker, and if you had known better you wouldn't have thought so.

[AnEternalNow]

Something did come up, AnEternalNow.

Could you describe this realisation from an experiential perspective? You're obviously a very good writer with a strong conceptual bent, yet we're also very interested in your actual experience? What's the difference "before" and "after"? How does it feel to be liberated?

Thanks for taking the time to do this.

the most immediate effect after the oct 10 seeing that there never was a seer seeing the scenery, in seeing always the seen is that

Everything becomes direct, gapless and intimate. No longer the delusional sense or view that I am this puny entity inside my body, inside my head looking outwards at the world from a distance, that entire sense of separation is permanently gone and it is more accurate to describe experience as "sensations feels", "scenery sees", "music hears" than "I am hearing the music". Experience is simply felt and happening where they are as it is, not felt "from" a vantage reference point. This is actually very amazing, freeing and even blissful. Mundane and ordinary seeing and hearing becomes delightful, and there is a subtle thrill in just experiencing. There is an added (or should I say, uncovered) richess, vividness and aliveness in everything, not noticed when the delusion of self prevents the gapless intimate experiencing.

Another subtler aspect of no self seen more clearly early 2011 made experience even more liberating as all experiences become seen as spontaneous, disjoint, insubstantial and bubble like in the sense that there is no solid world or ground or self here/now, only disjointed thoughts and sensations without a 'self' or a 'ground' (not even a "one consciousness") that links them, so there are just appearances appearing and disappearing by itself without traces. This is felt to be liberating.

[AnEternalNow]

Another aspect about no self is that "I" no longer have a sense of a body in the "background of things". The sense of a body is just a fabricated image collating a few disjointed tactile sensations into one solid thing. The sense of a body/mind is dropped off into just imageless, intimate gapless experience.

Also, I notice afflictive emotions don't come up much these days. I don't feel anger, irritation, craving, sorrow, fear, etc. There is a gradual transformation of emotions such that affliictive emotions don't really happen nowadays, as afflictive emotions have their source in the delusional I, me, mine sense. But it is sort of a gradual thing because some remnant tendencies might still surface after the initial seeing.

[Damon Kamda]

Thanks for all that.

As you can see, your username is now blue on this forum, which means that you're now more than welcome to start guiding others here.

It's great to have you here.

[AnEternalNow]

Thank you :)