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Re: Ready to break through

Postby Trey » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:04 pm

wrong date it was November 9th, Friday.

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Re: Ready to break through

Postby idolanuel » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:27 pm

Hi Trey,

I'm sorry for the late response.
Your last post is reviewed by some of our other guides, therefore it takes some time.

Will be back at you by tomorrow (I believe).

Peace

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Re: Ready to break through

Postby idolanuel » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:44 am

Hi Trey,
Honestly me and the other guides are not sure that all seen. It looks like some of it is intellectual. Would you mind continue this for a while?
In that case, I have a suggestion.

Let's change roles here.

I'll be an interested seeker.
You be the guide.
Ok?

I'll write in a different colour to identify the seeker's voice.

So Trey, what's the big deal here? What's all the fuss about? What's there to see?

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Re: Ready to break through

Postby Trey » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:39 am

Hello Lido

Just found the email as was messing with the rules that designate to which folders and this ended up not where intended. Will have a response back to you later today!

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Re: Ready to break through

Postby Trey » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:46 pm

sorry for the wait, this is an excellent idea you all have arrived at. If there is a choice one is able to be in/with the shift all the time instead of just periodically would be preferred. This going back and forth has totally wracked sleeping and dreams are literally just raging debates.
I'll write in a different colour to identify the seeker's voice.

So Trey, what's the big deal here? What's all the fuss about? What's there to see?
Flip the question, it is what there is not to see. Freedom of self is quiet, serenity of just each moment. Being in the flow of life without an "I" attached having "to do everything!" with its past & future promises /or fears.

Go internally to stillness (place awareness on the breath or any body sensation if the mind is very active) let awareness stay inward while being conscious of what is going on around you.

Nowhere to go, nothing to do, no expectations, no fears/worries, as the body just does what is required each moment by moment by moment.

Hows that feel?

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Re: Ready to break through

Postby idolanuel » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:50 pm

Go internally to stillness (place awareness on the breath or any body sensation if the mind is very active) let awareness stay inward while being conscious of what is going on around you.
Ok,
That's what I do every time that I meditate, what's the big deal?
Besides, I can't really do that, as thoughts keeps interrupting.

Hows that feel?
That feels kinda regular, like every time that I'm aware.

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Re: Ready to break through

Postby Trey » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:18 am

That's what I do every time that I meditate, what's the big deal?
Besides, I can't really do that, as thoughts keeps interrupting.
Ah yes the thinking part, what you resist persist. Instead of meditation, during your waking hours bring your attention/awareness back to the direct experience of now, the present moment. And the more frustrated you become it’s just the mind saying its futile and how correct or incorrect every action is.

Which in reality the mind has no real clue so let the mind do its thing as each moment your aware just place the attention back on
A. internal sensations in the body as you stand, walk, lay down or sit
B. any internal feelings or emotions but to only feel it out not analyze it
C. really look (color/texture/pattern etc.) at the surroundings your in, without naming or commenting (and during contemplation)
D. your breathing or heartbeat
E. when talking to someone try and feel your feet on the ground during the conversation, and what feelings if any are arising internally, just be aware of them.

E. when there's time to just sit or lay down, contemplate A. take a few deep breaths to relax, then state a simple intent (as whom Am I?), then just be in the moment as much as possible. No right or wrong, correct or incorrect. This is about faith which is only bringing your awareness to the direct experience of what is happening right now and now and now.

Only spirit knows how long in human time this process may be required but it is the door or gateway. Think of this as an analogy if you were waiting for someone to arrive listening for the knock on the door. You would still be going about your business but your awareness is intently cued without having to do anything, approach this on that level.

Start using this moment by moment approach and later will add the "I"ing game, if required.

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Re: Ready to break through

Postby idolanuel » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:52 am

Hi guide,

Alright so I've tried what you said and this is what I came up with:

B. any internal feelings or emotions but to only feel it out not analyze it
C. really look (color/texture/pattern etc.) at the surroundings your in, without naming or commenting (and during contemplation)
I can't seem to stop analyzing and I can't seem to stop naming or commenting. I think I'm dumb.
E. when talking to someone try and feel your feet on the ground during the conversation, and what feelings if any are arising internally, just be aware of them.
I've tried that. Maybe I've succeeded, I'm not sure. But anyway... so what?
E. when there's time to just sit or lay down, contemplate A. take a few deep breaths to relax, then state a simple intent (as whom Am I?), then just be in the moment as much as possible. No right or wrong, correct or incorrect. This is about faith which is only bringing your awareness to the direct experience of what is happening right now and now and now.
I asked "whom Am I?" - but no answer popped out.
Only spirit knows how long in human time this process may be required but it is the door or gateway. Think of this as an analogy if you were waiting for someone to arrive listening for the knock on the door. You would still be going about your business but your awareness is intently cued without having to do anything, approach this on that level.
They've all told me that there is nothing to wait for. That I'm already there. That there no where to go, nothing to achieve. That it is all closer than breathing. So why should I wait? Where do I need to be?

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Re: Ready to break through

Postby Trey » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:28 pm

Greetings comrade,
Alright so I've tried what you said and this is what I came up with:
I can't seem to stop analyzing and I can't seem to stop naming or commenting. I think I'm dumb.
Ahh there is the rub and why a lot of people do not proceed. Two items to make very clear

A. There is nothing “You can do” to make it happen as in learning something, that is mentally like the chinese finger torture tube. That is why education especially college educated can be a great hindrance.

B. You cannot stop the mind and probably are getting closer as you are noticing the mind wanting to analyze and name insistently. That is good, keep being Aware of it, and if its so sticky awareness is sucked into it that is ok also. Being with only what is right here and Now with Awareness internally observing. This is the muscle so to speak that has to be developed without wishing, imposing, judging - just accepting the mind thinks that is what it does.

Note: Awareness is like a muscle that is ever not been traditionally utilized as education and achieving success. It is almost foreign to most, it seems boring, alien, like one is not doing anything.

See the mind cannot go there, all thinking requires awareness as an unloved two year old it wants awarenesses attention all the time.

I've tried that. Maybe I've succeeded, I'm not sure. But anyway... so what?
To continue in addition to the above comments; by these comments
1. “trying never did anything” here there is no trying - only being (awareness) in the Direct Experience of Now.
2. There is no succeeding here, only seeing through or the dropping of the mind to the background just as your five senses never dominate your mind as thinking does.

3. The thinking mind avoids the present moment like the plague as it wants, craves, desires past and future, Oh to think! Therefore I am! Whether the I is berating me, praising me notice how it allows needs to get, do, accomplish, avoid, etc. something?

Awareness in the Present Moment of Now in direct experiencing of what is around you in reality, even your mind rattling on about anything and everything is Perfect as it is.

I asked "whom Am I?" - but no answer popped out.
That is mind wanting an answer as when it happens the question will go away. In fact extreme/great frustration, great anger and or great doubt can be wonderful in a crack/divide appearing or solid separation between the thinking mind and Awareness.

In fact pray for one or all of these do occur in this pursuit of spiritual seeking! As they are all real but your thinking mind about them is a total illusion.

Again stay asking All Day Long in Awareness mood having the thinking mind directing this inwards towards that sensation of a energy or presence inside the body while in the direct experience of Now.


They've all told me that there is nothing to wait for. That I'm already there. That there no where to go, nothing to achieve. That it is all closer than breathing. So why should I wait? Where do I need to be?
Think of this as the greatest treasure hunt with no treasure to find one has ever imagined of in the whole universe.

To know the meaning of life, what created you and why and not only that, the whole universe. It lays right within you, but the key is staying with and developing this foreign internal thing called Awareness. The only way to develop awareness is by using it moment by moment in the all the direct experiences of Now as possible.

Remember we live in a fast food age and life of instant everything, but this is something you have no control over what so ever. Besides that it resides in no time, the mind requires time. So relax just BE with what is, as it is but in Awareness mode, even with the mind raging on is the key to the door unlocking.

The mind with each question asked will come up with three more questions. That is what it does, Awareness just is observant, but what a struggle it all seems to be, a crevice so great to cross which is all a great illusion.

The mind has fabricated so skillfully so one does not develop awareness as it would then falter and true reality as it is right here and now with no time would appear.



A whole lot was written here for encouragement but stay the course as a journey to a distant land you have only heard of not knowing the distance all you can do is keep placing one foot in front of the other. Thinking will not make the journey go any faster or slower just keep focusing your awareness on each moment, now and now and now.


SO LASTLY;
If you can go sit in nature somewhere and contemplate this. Everything around you is functioning with its own level of brain power but no commentary, deliberation, judgements, desires etc.. just being with what is, as it is, each moment.

What sensations or feelings arise in your body, not thoughts or questions in your mind (though that will be occurring rampantly) while watching, smelling, listening while being in this location for twenty minutes or so?

Again with Awareness Focus as well as possible on all the feelings and sensations by deeply searching moment by moment as sitting or walking.

enjoy, with infinite love

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Re: Ready to break through

Postby idolanuel » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:44 pm

OK,

I have experienced it. Awareness, thoughts, feelings, 5 sensations. It felt great, a meditation.
But it was me doing it. I was the one who went out to sit in nature, and I was the one who decided to stop and go back home.

So?

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Re: Ready to break through

Postby idolanuel » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:17 pm

Hey Trey,

Haven't heard from you in a few days,

How's everything?


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