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Re: Running Home

Postby Emac1122 » Mon Oct 26, 2026 10:36 pm

WHO explains these feelings to WHO? Is there an observer separate from what is being observed/felt/experienced?
It feels personal, but when I look I can see there is no one or being explaining the feelings they arise just like the thoughts about the experience.
Is the above anything other than thoughts appearing in space and disappearing again? Is it owned?
It is nothing other than thoughts and feelings appearing. It feels like it is owned, but there is no entity who is the owner, just the feelings and thoughts that also constrict my view.

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Re: Running Home

Postby graceabounds » Tue Oct 27, 2026 10:12 am

but there is no entity who is the owner, just the feelings and thoughts that also constrict my view.
What is this ‘view’?

Are ‘you’ at the center of feelings and thoughts arising?
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Re: Running Home

Postby Emac1122 » Wed Oct 28, 2026 8:34 pm

The view is my perception. I feel like when I'm angry or upset my perception shrinks and I just feel lost in the emotions. I think that my sense of awareness is important because it allows me to have a pause before I react or a pause that allows space for the emotions to be without my trying to manipulate them in some way.

I am not the center of thoughts or feelings. I feel that sense of self when someone pushes my buttons. LOL. But, I continue to try to ask the question, "Who" is angry etc. When I ask that question sometimes, I see there is no "I' just feelings and thoughts.

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Re: Running Home

Postby graceabounds » Thu Oct 29, 2026 12:39 pm

Is there an owner of perception? Take a look.
When I ask that question sometimes, I see there is no "I' just feelings and thoughts.
Exactly, so is there a someone who comes and goes and can get lost?

I think that my sense of awareness is important
Is this sense of awareness:
a) direct experience
or
b) a thought?

Can direct experience be 'important'?

I feel that sense of self when someone pushes my buttons.
Can you find the separate entity that you feel has been attacked, apart from the and sensations, thoughts? Or is the sense of self always tied to a thought?

Are there 'others' who could be responsible for choosing to push your buttons? :)
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Running Home

Postby Emac1122 » Sun Nov 01, 2026 2:36 am

Is there an owner of perception? Take a look.
No, no owner of perception. But it does appear to change.
Exactly, so is there a someone who comes and goes and can get lost?
No, though I sometimes feel like I am lost. I understand that it is impossible, but my experience does not always align with that understanding. It's interesting to realize that even if I think I'm not aware that that awareness does not change or move or stop.
Is this sense of awareness:
a) direct experience
or
b) a thought?
My sense of awareness is direct experience, but there is also an "idea" of awareness that seems to be a thought. When I look at awareness I can see it. It is a direct experience. I can turn my awareness to itself and see it.

Can direct experience be 'important'?
I’ve been thinking about this question. Direct experience isn’t something that can be important. It is something that just is. Just experience. What seems important to me is the awareness of direct experience, but when I look at that, I can’t find an instance where truly I’m not aware. I can’t find a difference between awareness and direct experience. Maybe direct experience is something that is me and awareness is the ability to observe it?
Can you find the separate entity that you feel has been attacked, apart from the and sensations, thoughts? Or is the sense of self always tied to a thought?
No, I can't find a separate entity apart from the sensations and thoughts. I just feel the anger, which makes my body constrict, and my thoughts start explaining or defending. There is a thought that there is someone that I am defending - that needs defending and a feeling of self-righteousness sometimes that I'm right and they are wrong, but when I look there is no entity there. there seems to be a lot of emotions around "being wrong or rather being right."
Are there 'others' who could be responsible for choosing to push your buttons? :)
No, others are not responsible for my reactions. I strongly believe we can only control our own selves, not others. Someone may say something I don't like, but how I respond is the important thing. I may not be able to control my emotions, but I can control how I respond even if I feel upset or angry. At least that's what I aim to do by taking a breath and trying to be more aware of what is going on internally. I am not always successful and sometimes just react, which is rarely wise.

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Re: Running Home

Postby graceabounds » Mon Nov 02, 2026 12:13 pm

Erin, there’s something quite subtle happening in your observations. You’re distinguishing between the feeling of being lost and an actual loss of experience. And you’re noticing that the feeling of self-righteousness can be strong without there being a separate person inside who needs defending.

I want to slow down in a couple of places.
Maybe direct experience is something that is me and awareness is the ability to observe it?
Look carefully at that distinction. There are:
* Sounds, sensations, thoughts, emotions.
* The knowing or noticing of them.
* The thought that there is an observer watching them.

Can you actually find awareness as something separate from the experience being noticed?

When you hear a sound, can you find two separate things: the sound and the awareness of the sound?


Next, around the feeling of needing to be right all this anger comes up but no separate entity can be found. Next time this happens, don’t immediately take a breath to calm yourself. First, notice the urge to defend.

What exactly feels threatened? Look for the threatened person, not just the feeling of being threatened.

Can you find anything beyond sensations, emotions and thoughts?

but how I respond is the important thing. I may not be able to control my emotions, but I can control how I respond even if I feel upset or angry.
You said you can control how you respond, even if you cannot control your emotions.

That’s a useful practical intention. You can pause, breathe, consider consequences and a response is seemingly selected. Small children, for example, don’t yet have this ability, it is developed over time.

Yet when you take that breath before responding, can you find a separate controller deliberately creating the pause? Or does the pause happen, followed by the recognition that a pause has happened?
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Running Home

Postby Emac1122 » Wed Nov 04, 2026 10:03 pm

You’re distinguishing between the feeling of being lost and an actual loss of experience.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this...
Can you actually find awareness as something separate from the experience being noticed?
Hmm, I often have the experience where my sense of awareness is observing what I have always thought of as my awareness. After reading your message and looking again and again I think awareness and direct experience are the same thing. As you asked, if I hear a sound - I just experience the sound. I'm aware of the sound. Thoughts get attached to the sound afterward such as "bird singing," "car driving by," "dog barking," etc.
Sometimes when I am meditating, I can observe my awareness of thoughts, sounds, etc. I don't feel like I'm thinking or labeling - it doesn't seem to be a thought but direct experience of what is happening.
Look for the threatened person, not just the feeling of being threatened.
Can you find anything beyond sensations, emotions and thoughts?
I do find sensations such as heat and emotions; the thoughts are I think what reels me - the thoughts are "how it affects my perception of myself." For example, fear of looking stupid, is perhaps a big one that comes up. But I see that these things are labels and thoughts. It is the idea of me that is being affronted.
can you find a separate controller deliberately creating the pause? Or does the pause happen, followed by the recognition that a pause has happened?
I can't find a separate controller. If there is space then there is awareness of the feelings perhaps a thought about taking a breath and then a pause followed by the recognition that the pause has happened. If a pause happens it is because I have been able to see the emotion and not get carried away by it.

I think I'm trying to split the experience of a thing and the awareness of a thing but am starting to see they are the same.

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Re: Running Home

Postby graceabounds » Thu Nov 05, 2026 1:53 pm

After reading your message and looking again and again I think awareness and direct experience are the same thing
Exactly! Yes. Exactly this.

It is the idea of me that is being affronted.
Ah. So a thought. And then another thought that says something different?

I’m curious to flesh out this idea of me. What does it consist of?

If a pause happens it is because I have been able to see the emotion and not get carried away by it.
Great! And is this carrying away an actual thing? Can you see the thought overlay of preference for how things go? Could they go any way other than how they do?
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: Running Home

Postby Emac1122 » Sun Nov 08, 2026 1:34 am

I’m curious to flesh out this idea of me. What does it consist of?
When I look at the idea of “me,” I have a sense of the area around my body. Ideas about who I think I am. Things like wife, mother, but also things like scientist, smart. I recognize thise are just thoughts, but come up. I thought about your statement - “notice the urge to defend.” There is a part of me that gets offended or angry. So even though I can’t find a separate entity, I feel the “me” that is offended. I’m having difficulty really seeing what that is. The me that feels angry or gets offended. When I look, it seems like it is just thoughts about a “me,” but I see that there is an underlying belief in this “me” still. I can walk through a process showing myself that I am not my body, or my thoughts, or my emotions, but somehwo there is still this sense of a me, even if my mind tells me it does not exist I can still feel something. I’ll continue to “notice the urge to defend” and look at what I’m defending. It just seems to be this idea, and idea of who I think I am. I’m still stuck in a feeling of an “I” or “me.”

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Re: Running Home

Postby graceabounds » Sun Nov 08, 2026 6:56 pm

This inquiry isn't about making the feeling of "me" disappear. It's about looking directly at what that feeling actually consists of.

Where is the feeling of "me" located? Head? Chest? Face? Somewhere around the body?

What does it actually feel like? Pressure, tightness, warmth, contraction, an image, something else?

Is the feeling itself saying "this is me," or does a thought come along and interpret it that way?

Apart from the feeling and the thoughts describing it, can you find someone who owns that feeling?
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle


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