What is real?

[LillaLilla]

Hi Rali,

Does thought actually move the body, or do thought, sensation and movement simply appear?

Thought doesn't actually move the body. Thought appears, then the body moves.

What makes things happen — is a controller found, or only conditions unfolding?

There is no controller found. Conditions merely unfold.

And although no separate responsible self is found, does practical responsibility still function in everyday life?

Yes, it does. For example when unkind things are said, apology appears as well. Or when the child is ill, a doctor's appointment is made. Etc. 

Love,
Lilla

[poppyseed]

Hi Lilla
Wonderful!

Thought appears, then the body moves.

Yes! And sensations happen, thought happens. And even that is a story :)

I’ll pass your answers to the other guides to see whether there is anything we may have overlooked or anything else worth looking at. Please stay close in case they have any questions!
Love
Rali

[poppyseed]

Hi Lilla
Welcome home!

It appears that the Gateless Gate has been crossed, but as you know there is no Gate, no one to cross it, and no end to the journey. It has been such a pleasure to walk beside you! Your openness and willingness to look were simply awesome and made guiding you a joy. Of course it is not necessarily the end of our conversation.

There have been no more questions for you, which means that you will receive an email notifying you of a PM from the forum, inviting you to join LU's Facebook groups. It also has other information that might be of interest to you. I will inbox you my contact details if you want to stay in touch. If you have any questions, just ask, or you can drop a line on your thread here and I will respond.

Your username will change from green to blue. This thread will be moved to the ‘Archive’ section of the forum, but you will be able to access it.

Please don’t forget that this is just the beginning of exploring. It’s the beginning of cleaning up of all sorts of old beliefs. Emotions and feelings can show up to be seen and felt, so don’t stop looking! Please feel free to contact me, so we can have a look together, if you like.

You can also consider being a guide, if you’re willing to explore it, when you feel ready. It can be very rewarding and it help you deepen your understanding.

We have a couple of support groups that are meeting via teleconference, which you will be able to access once your name has turned blue, join in any group discussions on FB, or make use of LU online support groups run by senior guides free of charge.

There are three of those, and they meet on Zoom – do contact the organisers for extra info, links and schedules:
Vince runs one on Wednesdays and weekends. Contact: vinceschubert@gmail.com
Ilona holds a monthly meeting. Contact: admin@ilonaciunaite.com

You can also explore the ten Fetters, which is a structured way of approaching beliefs:
Kevin Shinilac has instructions on his site https://www.simplytheseen.com/
Pernille Damore and Todd Lent https://www.youtube.com/@TheAwakeningCurriculum

Love
Rali

[LillaLilla]

Dear Rali,

I must admit, there were some tears when reading your words. Some things have changed in the perception, and there is so much joy in exploring it further. I'm gonna look into groups and websites you've sent, and I'd like to keep in touch with you as well.
Your clear way of explaining was really helpful and I appreciated your empathy and patience when there were sticky points or the looking didn't go easy.

Love,
Lilla

[poppyseed]

Hi Lilla
Thank you for these words. It has been a joy to watch the looking become clearer and more natural.
Keep exploring in the same way: gently, directly, and with honesty about what is actually here.
And yes, please do keep in touch. I’d be very happy to hear how things continue to unfold.
Love
Rali