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Re: liberation

Postby sensey » Fri Apr 24, 2026 7:48 pm

Hello Becca.
Others won't catch this, no. And, if there is no one here, are there any others?
I am not trying to explain it to others anymore. I tryied to explain to my close friends who are practicing meditation for many years. But it should be experienced not explained. So I stoped trying to explain.
If there is no I there are not others. Just different bodies. And thoughts named them "others". but when i don't experienced that there is no I, it sometimes become a thought that there is no I. and at the same time others appear.
Is there doubt in seeing that there is no separate self at all, never has been and never will be? Or is this simply a thought?
sometimes it is just a thought. sometimes I see it as experience. other time it can be just a thought. as I understand I should look deeper in experience but not just belive a thoughts?
About what to do to go deeper, I could give you a very thorough series of questions and we can see if we can uncover any gaps in clear seeing... :)
it would be nice if it is time for it :)
Out of curiosity, what is your native language?
Russian.

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Re: liberation

Postby graceabounds » Sun Apr 26, 2026 2:22 am

When others appear, is there you here and someone else over there, in direct experience, before the story sticks?
Or are there just colours, sounds, sensations, and thought saying “that’s another person”?
Can you find any “entity” behind the face, or only colours-shapes-sounds + a thought saying “that’s another person”? Look right now. where is the border between “me” and “others,” except in narration?

as I understand I should look deeper in experience but not just belive a thoughts?
Well thoughts don’t stop, so the thought appearing is not really a problem if you can look underneath and see that it is not true. See through it…
Is this the case?


There are always people here waiting for guides to speak to who may be open to looking in this way. Some of them are looking for Russian speaking guides should the impulse arise to learn how to shift explaining into experience. ;
:)

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unfortunately…
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Re: liberation

Postby sensey » Tue Apr 28, 2026 8:43 pm

When others appear, is there you here and someone else over there, in direct experience, before the story sticks?
Or are there just colours, sounds, sensations, and thought saying “that’s another person”?
Hi. Yes it is just sensations, colours, and thoughts. in direct experience there is no others and no "I"
Can you find any “entity” behind the face, or only colours-shapes-sounds + a thought saying “that’s another person”? Look right now. where is the border between “me” and “others,” except in narration?
there is a sensations in the body and I don't feel a sensations in other bodies. and there is a thought saying it is my body and there are other bodies. But this is narration. I can't find any entity behind the face.
Well thoughts don’t stop, so the thought appearing is not really a problem if you can look underneath and see that it is not true. See through it…
Is this the case?
yes. that is what I mean
There are always people here waiting for guides to speak to who may be open to looking in this way. Some of them are looking for Russian speaking guides should the impulse arise to learn how to shift explaining into experience.
You are telling about me? that I can guide some people who speak russian in the future if impulse will arise?
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nice to read russian words from you :)

Can you share where are you from Becca? :)

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Re: liberation

Postby graceabounds » Wed Apr 29, 2026 5:25 pm

Yes.
Once it is clear there is no separate self at all, never has been, never will be, you have all you would need to guide here should that impulse arise. Plus some logistical support to get started. There are forum threads in different languages.

I am in Boston. I studied for a semester in Moscow many years ago. I can read a bit of Russian and understand some, but my vocabulary is rudimentary. :)

Do you have questions? Anything so far seem unclear?

And is seeking energy still present?
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: liberation

Postby sensey » Mon May 04, 2026 1:06 pm

Hello Becca

I’ve been thinking about your question for a few days—what I could answer or what I could ask—but I didn't find anything. Then, I couldn't log into my account from my computer. There were some issues with the password, and I'm still not sure why. Usually, the auto-fill works fine, but this time it didn't, and I was locked out for several days. I still can't log in there, so I'm writing from my phone. It turns out it still works on the phone, which is a relief. That’s why it took me so long to reply
Do you have questions? Anything so far seem unclear?
I don’t know what to ask. Something is not clear. I see that there is no “I”. Never been and never will be. But some times I don’t see. And believe in “I” thought. What should I do that it will be clear all the time. If I See that there is no I, but still anger or fear I can feel. It is still ok? Or if I clearly see that there is no I, then there will be no fear?

And is seeking energy still present?

The seeking energy is much weaker. It feels like everything is already here. No 'I', no 'others'. Everything is just happening, like ripples on the ocean's surface. That's the feeling in the ocean—a certain sense of unity.

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Re: liberation

Postby graceabounds » Tue May 05, 2026 11:35 am

Here at LU we find the diminishing of seeking energy is a very reliable marker for seeing. When the system relaxes in this way it is like a big weight coming off.

If the something that is not clear is a thought, then yes, that is ok. The process to see through continues.

Is that thought true? Ah, no that isn’t ‘me’ saying that. etc

So when the illusion seems to return, what exactly has returned? Is there an experiential component to be found that is being conflated with the thought?

Regarding the emotion, this is where we begin to move into what’s next, beyond seeing through self.
When fear appears is there an “owner” of the fear?
When anger appears, does it ask permission?
Does any “someone” create these emotions?

If the answer to these is ‘no’ then we would approach differently from ‘yes’.
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: liberation

Postby sensey » Mon May 25, 2026 2:43 pm

Hello Becca.
I apologize for not responding for a long time.
Regarding the emotion, this is where we begin to move into what’s next, beyond seeing through self.
When fear appears is there an “owner” of the fear?
When anger appears, does it ask permission?
Does any “someone” create these emotions?

If the answer to these is ‘no’ then we would approach differently from ‘yes’.
My answer is "no"

What is our next step in our conversation? How I can check if I am "already there" or I need more help with inquiring.
Thank you

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Re: liberation

Postby graceabounds » Tue May 26, 2026 2:39 am

Hello Ilya.

I’m going to offer a series of questions now to uncover any remaining gaps in clear seeing. LOOK into each, and continue to report immediately from direct experience itself, not a concept or philosophy about it. :)

(Also please the quote function as you have been so it is clear which answer is for which question).

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look? Was there a moment of shift with a distinct before and after?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. Consider and describe each if these separately.

6) What makes things happen? How does it work?

7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

8) Anything to add?

In gratitude,
Becca
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: liberation

Postby sensey » Sun May 31, 2026 11:00 am

Hi Becca
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No. There is no "me" as experience.And it was not there and will not be. It comes only as a thought.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
"I" comes as a thought. For example there is feeling in the body and thought come "it is my feeling" or "it is me".
Similarly, if a decision is made, a choice is made, the thought may arise that I have chosen. Or, in the moment, the thought may arise that I am choosing. But if we look closely at this thought, it is simply a thought. There is no such "I" that chooses; it is not localized anywhere. And if we have the feeling that it is localized, then it is simply a feeling, and the thought comes that this is "I."
In general, when exploring the “I thought,” I cannot find it, its location, its existence, except as a thought. Things are happening. Decisions are happening. No separation.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
I feel more freedom than before our dialogue began. Even when fear comes, I see it as fear; it doesn't drag me down too much anymore. It comes and goes. I still get the feeling that something inside is dying, something is being released, and there's more freedom. More lightness and joy. I was recently at a retreat and there was a disco, and while dancing there, there was a feeling of unity. There were no comparisons, and if they arose, they simply passed by. There was a lot of freedom in it. There was unity and integrity. The desire to run somewhere and become someone has diminished. The feeling of searching has diminished. There is more inner silence.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look? Was there a moment of shift with a distinct before and after?
I didn't really understand the question. When it was the last bit? In what situation?
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. Consider and describe each if these separately.
Decision just happens. When moments comes. But "I" thought might appropriate it.
Intention. I don't know how to subscribe. I don't know from where it comes.
Free will. Same things here. Things are happening. I don't know where is free will or other will. Free will belongs to whom? Supposed to "I". But "I" is a fake.
Control. Looks like an illusion. Who control. I can say same things. That the things are happening. I can explain it.
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
It is just happening. What can I say. I don't know how it works. It is just works. Just happening all the time.
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
From experience I can't say where is my responsible. There is no one who can be responsible. Only "I' thought can arise but this is only thought and not direct experience.
8) Anything to add?
some times i don't go to direct of experience and I thought comes and create many things. but it is also ok. is is also just happening. and from direct experience see that there. is no "I"

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Re: liberation

Postby graceabounds » Sun May 31, 2026 11:55 am

Thank you Ilya.

Much is clear here.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look? Was there a moment of shift with a distinct before and after?
I didn't really understand the question. When it was the last bit? In what situation?
This question is asking if there was a particular moment when it was suddenly clear that there is no separate self at all? For some this “gate crossing” is a distinct event. For others more gradual, or a series of ‘ah-ha!’ moments, and then it becomes clear that something is different.

If there was a distinct event was there a particular inquiry that led to seeing or was it just in an ordinary moment of life (for example when washing the dishes)?

Much love,
Becca
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: liberation

Postby sensey » Tue Jun 02, 2026 3:44 pm

I see. I guess it was after first exercise with a hand. And after that gradually it becomes more clear.

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Re: liberation

Postby graceabounds » Wed Jun 03, 2026 2:12 am

Beautiful.

Well Ilya, I and a few other guides read through your responses to all these questions and we are collectively satisfied… it appears the Gateless Gate has been crossed… but as you know there is no Gate, no one to cross it, and no end to the unfolding.

You may have already or will soon receive an email notifying you of a PM from the forum, inviting you to join LU's Facebook groups. It also has other information that might be of interest. Your username has already changed from green to blue and this thread will be moved to the ‘Archive’ section of the forum, but you will be able to access it.

The experience of this dialogue is just the beginning of exploring. It will also be the beginning of cleaning up all sorts of old beliefs and habitual patterns of thought. This can be an emotional process and a nonlinear one. If you have any questions or hiccups at all, you are welcome to drop a line here or email me directly any time.

It has been a pleasure to walk beside you here. I celebrate the freedom and lightness and joy that has emerged there. Of course this is not necessarily the end of our conversation. Here to support as things continue to evolve. Should the impulse arise to become a guide I would be happy to support in that as well. Will send you a DM.

With gratitude and love,
Becca
“Your comfort zone is not the best place for your spiritual awakening….
unfortunately…
(sorry about that.)”

- Eckhart Tolle

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Re: liberation

Postby sensey » Fri Jun 05, 2026 8:47 pm

Thanks a lot for your guidence. It was very nice. I would like to become guide also. We can contact in whatsapp. I have sebt my number to you on your email.


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