liberation

[sensey]

Hello Becca.

Others won't catch this, no. And, if there is no one here, are there any others?

I am not trying to explain it to others anymore. I tryied to explain to my close friends who are practicing meditation for many years. But it should be experienced not explained. So I stoped trying to explain.
If there is no I there are not others. Just different bodies. And thoughts named them "others". but when i don't experienced that there is no I, it sometimes become a thought that there is no I. and at the same time others appear.

Is there doubt in seeing that there is no separate self at all, never has been and never will be? Or is this simply a thought?

sometimes it is just a thought. sometimes I see it as experience. other time it can be just a thought. as I understand I should look deeper in experience but not just belive a thoughts?

About what to do to go deeper, I could give you a very thorough series of questions and we can see if we can uncover any gaps in clear seeing... :)

it would be nice if it is time for it :)

Out of curiosity, what is your native language?

Russian.

[graceabounds]

When others appear, is there you here and someone else over there, in direct experience, before the story sticks?
Or are there just colours, sounds, sensations, and thought saying “that’s another person”?
Can you find any “entity” behind the face, or only colours-shapes-sounds + a thought saying “that’s another person”? Look right now. where is the border between “me” and “others,” except in narration?

as I understand I should look deeper in experience but not just belive a thoughts?

Well thoughts don’t stop, so the thought appearing is not really a problem if you can look underneath and see that it is not true. See through it…
Is this the case?


There are always people here waiting for guides to speak to who may be open to looking in this way. Some of them are looking for Russian speaking guides should the impulse arise to learn how to shift explaining into experience. ;
:)

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[sensey]

When others appear, is there you here and someone else over there, in direct experience, before the story sticks?
Or are there just colours, sounds, sensations, and thought saying “that’s another person”?

Hi. Yes it is just sensations, colours, and thoughts. in direct experience there is no others and no "I"

Can you find any “entity” behind the face, or only colours-shapes-sounds + a thought saying “that’s another person”? Look right now. where is the border between “me” and “others,” except in narration?

there is a sensations in the body and I don't feel a sensations in other bodies. and there is a thought saying it is my body and there are other bodies. But this is narration. I can't find any entity behind the face.

Well thoughts don’t stop, so the thought appearing is not really a problem if you can look underneath and see that it is not true. See through it…
Is this the case?

yes. that is what I mean

There are always people here waiting for guides to speak to who may be open to looking in this way. Some of them are looking for Russian speaking guides should the impulse arise to learn how to shift explaining into experience.

You are telling about me? that I can guide some people who speak russian in the future if impulse will arise?

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nice to read russian words from you :)

Can you share where are you from Becca? :)

[graceabounds]

Yes.
Once it is clear there is no separate self at all, never has been, never will be, you have all you would need to guide here should that impulse arise. Plus some logistical support to get started. There are forum threads in different languages.

I am in Boston. I studied for a semester in Moscow many years ago. I can read a bit of Russian and understand some, but my vocabulary is rudimentary. :)

Do you have questions? Anything so far seem unclear?

And is seeking energy still present?

[sensey]

Hello Becca

I’ve been thinking about your question for a few days—what I could answer or what I could ask—but I didn't find anything. Then, I couldn't log into my account from my computer. There were some issues with the password, and I'm still not sure why. Usually, the auto-fill works fine, but this time it didn't, and I was locked out for several days. I still can't log in there, so I'm writing from my phone. It turns out it still works on the phone, which is a relief. That’s why it took me so long to reply

Do you have questions? Anything so far seem unclear?

I don’t know what to ask. Something is not clear. I see that there is no “I”. Never been and never will be. But some times I don’t see. And believe in “I” thought. What should I do that it will be clear all the time. If I See that there is no I, but still anger or fear I can feel. It is still ok? Or if I clearly see that there is no I, then there will be no fear?

And is seeking energy still present?

The seeking energy is much weaker. It feels like everything is already here. No 'I', no 'others'. Everything is just happening, like ripples on the ocean's surface. That's the feeling in the ocean—a certain sense of unity.

[graceabounds]

Here at LU we find the diminishing of seeking energy is a very reliable marker for seeing. When the system relaxes in this way it is like a big weight coming off.

If the something that is not clear is a thought, then yes, that is ok. The process to see through continues.

Is that thought true? Ah, no that isn’t ‘me’ saying that. etc

So when the illusion seems to return, what exactly has returned? Is there an experiential component to be found that is being conflated with the thought?

Regarding the emotion, this is where we begin to move into what’s next, beyond seeing through self.
When fear appears is there an “owner” of the fear?
When anger appears, does it ask permission?
Does any “someone” create these emotions?

If the answer to these is ‘no’ then we would approach differently from ‘yes’.