The truth of life

[Anastacia42]

Good morning

Your attempt at Quote came out very strange. Did you see that? What did you do? Please fix it if it does that again.

Anyway. I found your answers.

#1. You should e seeing it as R as red.

It looks like you figured that out by the end. Your other answers are correct.

This one brings it together.

Actual/Direct Experience - Apple

Have a look at an apple (or any fruit you like.) If you have a ‘real’ apple, you can use it for this exercise. Google for a picture of an apple.



When looking at an apple, there's color; a thought saying ‘apple’; and maybe a thought saying, "I'm looking at an apple."

What is known for sure? Color is known and thoughts are known.

What about the content of thoughts, what they describe?

Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought.

Actual experience is sound, thought, color, smell, taste, sensation and the fact of thought arising, but not its content.

Is there really an ‘apple’ here, or only color and a thought ABOUT ‘apple’?

Can ‘apple’ be found in actual experience?

While these thoughts are known, what they talk ABOUT can't be found in actual experience.

This is what is meant by "looking in actual experience." What you know for sure, and, is always here.

Taste labeled ‘apple’ is known
Color labeled ‘apple’ is known
Sensation labeled ‘apple’ is known (when apple is touched)
Smell labeled ‘apple’ is known
Thought about/of an ‘apple’ is known

However, is an apple actually known?

Have fun and let me know what you find out.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

Thursday 19th of March
MEETING WITH ILONA TODAY
 
Hello

The Shift in Perception Simplified

At the next Zoom meeting, I will share something that can help you see what this shift in perception actually is.

I’ve been exploring this with my private clients, and now I’d like to open it to you as well, and to those who follow my YouTube channel. It is very simple and easy to see visually. When it clicks, it becomes clear why working on problems doesn’t bring lasting peace, and how the shift happens in where you are looking from.

There is nothing mysterious about it. It is practical, direct, and available right here.

You are warmly invited to join the meeting. And if something comes up for you, you are welcome to bring your questions.


Seeing Through The Self Illusion

19th of March
90 min long

3 pm London
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8 am San Francisco
11 am New York

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With love,

Ilona

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[kyleleey]

Hi Stacy

Bummer I missed this session. Sometimes the platform does weird things and when I accessed the notification it showed me my own reply to you?

So I have my apple in hand : ) Just confirming you are saying - thoughts about things are not actual experience, thoughts are there and part of experience but are not actual experience, they are a story or ideas about experience, but only through the senses is the truth of the experience.

I actually have been contemplating this a lot. I did a sound healing and meditation last night and was conscious of a couple of themes that played over as I relaxed. They were so persistent, not that i was wanting them to be there. Then at one point there was silence and during that sense of release of tension that the thinking was causing in my body and mind. Later I was aware that they were 'my' stories and what would it be like to not believe them or see them as just that.

I'll keep playing with the apple.

love
Kyle

[Anastacia42]

Hi Kyle

I couldn't access the Zoom, so maybe there's a recording.

Please don't shortcut or summarize the pointers. but, yes.

thoughts about things are not actual experience,

Thoughts about "self" are the same way. Can you see that? If so, how does it FEEL?


Loving

[kyleleey]

Hi Stacy

However, is an apple actually known?

No. We are taught what an apple is when young. Apple is a concept and each experience (taste, sensation etc) builds so that we recognise as ‘apple’. In the mind we think it's known of but really it’s a collection of concepts. We are told/taught it’s an apple, then we attach our own experience to it.

Taste is a memory, from previous experience labelled as apple
Sensation is a memory, from previous experience labelled as apple
Smell is a memory, from previous experience labelled as apple
Colour and shape is taught and recognised through the eyes and labelled as apple
Thoughts of an apple is a collection of taught concepts and previous experience labelled as apple.

What is actually here now?
Sensation – roundness, smooth, end shape inverted, juices on hand
Chewing – jaw, tongue
Arm/hand movement to hold draw in
Taste – Juicy, sweet
Sound -crunch, chewing

All of the words used to describe the experience are also labels. Everything has been given a label by man, the mind.

thoughts about things are not actual experience,
Thoughts about "self" are the same way. Can you see that? If so, how does it FEEL?

Looking into this.

I replaced the apple with self/I
We are taught what there is an I when young. Self is a concept and each experience builds so that we recognise/believe in a ‘self’. In the mind we think it's known of but really it’s a collection of concepts. We are told/taught there’s an I, a self, then we attach our own experience to it.

Lots of love
Kyle

[Anastacia42]

Yes.

How does it FEEL to see this?

Loving,

[kyleleey]

Hi Stacy

I can't seem to find the last post to reply to but you asked

thoughts about things are not actual experience,
Thoughts about "self" are the same way. Can you see that? If so, how does it FEEL?

I can understand intellectually, but am not seeing it in a way that makes me feel any different. I can see my mind trying to understand it and imagine it rather than direct experience.

Kind regards
Kyle

[Anastacia42]

Okay. Be patient with this. We can't force it or cause it.

When you cannot find your post refresh the screen. There is a glitch.

It is not difficult. It is not mysterious. In actual fact there is NOTHING THERE.

The *idea* of "self" is a lie feeling of contraction plus the lie thought of a "self." That's it.

Enlightenment is an accident. Meditation makes us accident prone."

Sunryu Suzuki

We cannot predict it and we cannot make it happen. We can only practice the conditions in which it is more likely.

This frustrates the mind because it wants everything to be linear and logical and step-by-step, but this is not. It is non linear and unpredictable.

Above all, do not *believe* anything. Just LOOK

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

Hi Kyle

Did you receive this? I've reported the glitch.

[Anastacia42]

Hi Kyle,

Here are some recorded pointers. Be sure to listen to the Introduction.


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ksba3zhi9uuz ... hsk1a?dl=0

Loving,

[kyleleey]

We are back!

I found a way to come to the thread from the forums page. I received messages regarding new posts but it keeps going back to an earlier post/page.

I will have a look at the pointers you sent me. Thank you : )

What I will note is that I had a brief moment of something the other day. I have been being with sensation and experience more and observing thoughts but not getting caught up in the content. I was doing something in the kitchen and noticed thinking arise and there felt a recognition that was was there before the thought was 'me' for want of a better term. I'm really noticing how thought overlays direct experience with a narrative and during a meditative dance session was able to see these narratives and thinking arising and creating stories about things, and let them go.

Love
Kyle

[Anastacia42]

Yes, I keep coming up first with a part on page 2, but with I refresh the page, page 3 does show up.

Let me know how you're doing with the DropBox pointers.

Loving

[kyleleey]

Hi Stacy

It seems to be working okay now to get to the latest post.

So I'm not sure where to put my focus. I was going through the pdf I sent you as well as reading the LU book and now I have these pointers, which seem like around 40mins each. Who is the teacher here? I guess I thought we were following this approach here.

Appreciate your thoughts here.

Love
Kyle

[kyleleey]

I was also curious to your response to this...

What I will note is that I had a brief moment of something the other day. I have been being with sensation and experience more and observing thoughts but not getting caught up in the content. I was doing something in the kitchen and noticed thinking arise and there felt a recognition that was was there before the thought was 'me' for want of a better term. I'm really noticing how thought overlays direct experience with a narrative and during a meditative dance session was able to see these narratives and thinking arising and creating stories about things, and let them go.

Love

[Anastacia42]

It's all pointers, same approach.

I agreed not to give out his name because he no longer teaches. But those are some of the best pointers I've ever heard.

You can work with all of that. I'm giving you different things to see what works for you. Buttchair is the fallback or any pointer from the recordings that you really like. Beginning Thinking is my favorite, too.

If you would feel better focusing on one thing, then pick one, but the PDF doesn't contain pointers as I recall. The books are just to give you examples of what it's like when somebody sees. Yes, there are pointers in there, but they aren't specifically being given to you, although many people do wake up just reading. Read to watch for the point at which they get it. Yours will be different, but it can help to see how it can happen.

It is good that you are able to see how thinking is overlaying actual experience.

Remember we are looking for a shift in perception. How you see everything will change. It can be subtle and gradual or it can hit you like a ton of bricks.

Loving,