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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby cosmiK » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:39 pm

Hi Bjorn,
Thoughts seems to appear out of nowhere and then just disappear.
Right.... can you find the thinker in Direct Experience?
At least it seems so? I have a green cup of tea in front of me and I can think about it.
I don't get that.
No 'seems'. You say that "I" have a green up... "I can think about it"... but where is the "I" that thinks?
A green cup is seen
a thought say "I have a green up of tea"
another thought says "I can think about it"
Where is the self in that?

Is "I" ever more than a thought?

LOOK Deeply...

is there a center that everything happens TO
is there a center that everything arises FROM

LOOK DEEPLY at this supposed CENTER
I just feel frustrated and up against a wall and cannot honestly say anything right now.
Good.

Let all of it crash, let all of it burn.

LOOK DEEPLY if there is anyone or anything that is frustrated?

Is it possible that everything is happening and arising and appearing, yet it arises to NOONE ?
Is it possible that all of this IS ... WITHOUT a CENTER?

with Love.

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby Bjorn » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:35 pm

Right.... can you find the thinker in Direct Experience?
No thinker because the Direct Experience is closer than thought and arises before the thought arises, before separation of experience and experiencer is. Wonderfull!
No 'seems'. You say that "I" have a green up... "I can think about it"... but where is the "I" that thinks?
A green cup is seen
a thought say "I have a green up of tea"
another thought says "I can think about it"
Where is the self in that?
I seems to arise at the same time as thougt about something arises. No thinker separate from thought, thought and thinker seem to be two sides of a coin.
Is it possible that everything is happening and arising and appearing, yet it arises to NOONE ?
Is it possible that all of this IS ... WITHOUT a CENTER?
This makes some sort of anxiety to arise, fear of dissapearing.

Love!

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby cosmiK » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:44 pm

Hi Bjorn,

Good investigating.
No thinker because the Direct Experience is closer than thought and arises before the thought arises, before separation of experience and experiencer is. Wonderfull!
That's right. Experience always is. Check if there is EVER any separation, even the when thought 'separates' it. A thought may separate "I" + "what is Experienced"... yet is there EVER any ACTUAL separation?
I seems to arise at the same time as thougt about something arises. No thinker separate from thought, thought and thinker seem to be two sides of a coin.
Exactly... there is only ever a 'self' in thought, only ever an "I" in thought, only ever a "You" that is separate in thought :)
This makes some sort of anxiety to arise, fear of dissapearing.
GOOD!

LOOK Directly at this Fear. Tell it thank you.

Fear arises when there is something to protect. If you were being chased by a Lion, I would say RUN. When you are investigating an illusion, I would say Face It Directly. Ask what the Fear is protecting?

Look behind the Fear... is there anything there?

Is there an actual self to protect?

Is there a 'self' that was EVER there that can disappear?

Really look Deeply... Is there an actual "You" ?

with Love.

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby Bjorn » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:08 pm

That's right. Experience always is. Check if there is EVER any separation, even the when thought 'separates' it. A thought may separate "I" + "what is Experienced"... yet is there EVER any ACTUAL separation?
The separation seems real when ego starts commenting and labeling the Direct Experience.
LOOK Directly at this Fear. Tell it thank you.

Fear arises when there is something to protect. If you were being chased by a Lion, I would say RUN. When you are investigating an illusion, I would say Face It Directly. Ask what the Fear is protecting?
The fear is felt in my body, in my stomach and I feel it tingling on my skin. The fear says I will fall into a black hole and be forgotten and left alone.
I will look at it directly.

Love!

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby Bjorn » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:25 pm

Reading Elizabeth's story in the book Gatecrashers and can relate to much of it, feel disgust of all the "spiritual baggage" I carry around. I want to clean it out of my system. Sometimes I am not sure if I am speaking of of my heart or I am citing someone.

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby cosmiK » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:30 am

Hey Bjorn,

You are avoiding really taking a good hard look... skirting around the Truth...
The separation seems real when ego starts commenting and labeling the Direct Experience.
Don't settle with 'seems' Bjorn...

Is there EVER separation, regardless of thoughts or no thoughts? LOOK DEEPLY.

When seekers usually refer to 'ego', they refer to thoughts and perhaps some feelings. There is no actual 'ego' there, and if you look, you will see that the 'ego' is just as much of an illusion as the 'self' is.
The fear is felt in my body, in my stomach and I feel it tingling on my skin. The fear says I will fall into a black hole and be forgotten and left alone.
I will look at it directly.
Your body? Your stomach? Your skin?
LOOK DEEPLY in Direct Experience, where is the owner of all of this stuff?
Seems like a self-referencing circle of nonsense to me.

WHO is there to fall in to a black hole Bjorn?

There is Fear, there is thoughts, sensations, feelings, emotions... there is Experience...
but where is this 'YOU'?
This is your Work. I cannot do it for you.
Take that step. Look right at this assumption. Thank the fear for it's message, and tell it that you are taking the step to see Truth directly.
Find this 'I' in Direct Experience.
STARE DEEPLY At your Absence.
Reading Elizabeth's story in the book Gatecrashers and can relate to much of it, feel disgust of all the "spiritual baggage" I carry around. I want to clean it out of my system. Sometimes I am not sure if I am speaking of of my heart or I am citing someone.
'spiritual baggage' is just a judgement/thought/label applied to Experience, here and now, nothing more. Drop the labels. Drop the judgements.

Don't worry about anything else but finding this supposed 'carrier' of baggage.

Where is this self? carrier? I?

Where is this YOU?

with Love.

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby Bjorn » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:40 pm

This is your Work. I cannot do it for you.
Take that step. Look right at this assumption. Thank the fear for it's message, and tell it that you are taking the step to see Truth directly.
Find this 'I' in Direct Experience.
STARE DEEPLY At your Absence.
I stared deeply into the Absence and could not find a "Bjorn" just memories, opinions, information, nothing permanent. Just a flux.

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby cosmiK » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:14 pm

Bjorn,

Nice!

Keep LOOKing, Keep noticing this simplicity.

If there is anything that comes up referencing a 'self'.... investigate it deeply.
I stared deeply into the Absence and could not find a "Bjorn" just memories, opinions, information, nothing permanent. Just a flux.
Great!
Now notice... is there anything that is staring deeply... is there anyone behind this process?... is there anyone or anything that is attempting to look for itself? to Awaken?

Is there someone?
Or is there just looking? just feeling? just thoughts? just Experiencing, here and now?

with Love.

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby Bjorn » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:29 pm

Now notice... is there anything that is staring deeply... is there anyone behind this process?... is there anyone or anything that is attempting to look for itself? to Awaken?

Is there someone?
Or is there just looking? just feeling? just thoughts? just Experiencing, here and now?
Looking into this ABSENCE the only words that comes to mind is SILENT EXPANCE. No one to awaken. Nothing to look for, nowhere to go. Just THIS.
This sounds a bit too religious or spiritual because it was ordinary at the same time.
Had to contain myself in the company of my co-workers at my job, because I just wanted to laugh.

This is what it is today.

"Bjorn" is no problem. He seems to function quit normal without interference. Even was quit good at the training today doing weightlifting, snatching.

I don't feel like talking and thinking about anything but simple and mundane matters.


Love!

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby cosmiK » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:22 pm

Bjorn :)

"Bjorn" is never a problem... the appearance of "you" is totally fine. Anything is free to arise... anything :)

SO...

Are YOU the thinker of thoughts?

Can YOU think and choose a thought?

Is there a YOU in any way and any form?

Is there separation anywhere in Experience?

Have you seen through the illusion of the separate self?


Where are you at with this investigation my friend,

with Love.

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby Bjorn » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:26 pm

Are YOU the thinker of thoughts?
No, thoughts appear as clouds on a clear sky. They can be observed or ignored, but not believed.
Can YOU think and choose a thought?
No, thoughts appear and disappear. Mind comments, analyses, classifies. That is what mind does. No problem.
Is there a YOU in any way and any form?
I have to look into this some more. Cannot comment much on this right now. There "seems" to be a Background on which all this is experienced. But more LOOKING is needed.
Is there separation anywhere in Experience?
Everything is included in this VAST EXPANCE. Everything is an expression of THIS.
Have you seen through the illusion of the separate self?
Requires more looking.

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby cosmiK » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:48 pm

Is there a YOU in any way and any form?
I have to look into this some more. Cannot comment much on this right now. There "seems" to be a Background on which all this is experienced. But more LOOKING is needed.
Bjorn. If I asked you is there a computer screen in front of you in any way and any form...
would you tell me "more LOOKING is needed"?

Have you seen through the illusion of the separate self?
Requires more looking.
Again... stop looking for...
Face this Nakedly, Directly.

there is Experience, there is THIS...
is there an actual YOU that is observing or separate from THIS?

with Love.

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby Bjorn » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:37 pm

If I asked you is there a computer screen in front of you in any way and any form...
would you tell me "more LOOKING is needed"?
No need to look for the computer screen it is right infront of me. There is no doubt about the screen. I get your point. Looking is a step away from THIS. This is the crucial pointer for me. I have been going away from THIS because it has been too close and obvious.
Again... stop looking for...
Face this Nakedly, Directly.

there is Experience, there is THIS...
is there an actual YOU that is observing or separate from THIS?
There is just a deep SIGH and REST.

Love!

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby cosmiK » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:36 pm

Bjorn ,

Good.

Can Wholeness complete itself? Does it need to try? ;)

Where are YOU at with this investigation?

:) Tell me :)

with Love.

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Re: Need guidance to Peace and Clarity

Postby Bjorn » Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:05 pm

Can Wholeness complete itself? Does it need to try? ;)
The Wholeness is complete and even to add one speck would mean it was not complete.
Everything is perfect as it is, as an expression of THIS.
Strange how everything I have studied have fallen away and I stand here with only LOOKING.
So there was no dark pit to fall into and dissappear. :-)

Love!!


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