There is and has never been a Luce.

[Lubo]

That's wonderful, Luce.

Yes, so true. The mind has the map, and you can see that map for what it is. And what you've noticed—the simple experience, the here and now, the peace and joy—and not only...

Now, a new question: What is it that sees through the eyes? Is it a thing? Is it something temporary?
What is seeing, without a story about being a human?

Love,
Lubo

[Luce]

Hi Lubo

It can be difficult to investigate uncoloured by my intellectual understanding of nonduality. I am trying to consider only direct experience.

What is it that sees through the eyes? Is it a thing?

I cannot find a 'thing' looking out through the eyes. All I can find is thought overlaid on the direct experience of seeing.

Is it something temporary?

Not temporary. My experience of seeing is continuous, except for when I am asleep and not dreaming. But it feels seamless between falling asleep and waking up, awareness of seeing is continuous. The only reason I have to think that this awareness of seeing had a beginning in being born or will end in death is thought and conditioning. My direct experience is always seeing here and now.

What is seeing, without a story about being a human?

Seeing is just seeing. The direct experience of what is seen. But there is lot of automatic overlay of thought onto what is seen. Nothing in my direct experience tells me that I am seeing leaves on a tree or that this colour is green. It feels automatic to process the experience of sight with the story. I can't see anything without interpreting it in human terms. There isn't even necessarily an overt thought. Even if it feels like the mind is at rest, the visual experience is processed in human terms.

Much love and thanks
Luce

[Lubo]

Hi dear Luce,

What sees through the eyes is crucial.
Notice that the eyes themselves are not "someone" and they cannot see?

Mind is not someone and cannot see?

Ego is not someone and cannot see?

Rather, what penetrates, that which is the "light," is also the one that falls in love with everything that appears in and as visual experience. This is not a human.

I know this may sound strange, but this is the only way the system can truly relax.
Behind the eyes and behind the veil of thought is The Lover/Beloved, Awareness, God Eros itself—making love with every part of creation, manifesting, and transforming everything.
There is no one else, nothing else.
How this sounds fo you?

Notice what the ego wants: pleasure.
So let's allow the ego to relax. God Eros is taking care of the pleasure—without end, without limitations, no need to deserve or achieve. It is immediate.
Relationships, intimacy, even sex and all the beautiful things in life—there is nothing that Eros can't manifest and enjoy. How does the ego feel to find that what it wants is Eros's deep erotic desire and pleasure?

The easiest way to jump through resistance and fear is to notice that a deep, cosmic eroticism is "looking through the eyes," and it has the power to transform everything into pleasure and beautiful events. Everything is erotic for The Lover.

Please tell me if this way of seeing doesn't resonate with you?
But in my own journey, this is the only way that works.
Nothing else can truly transform and relax the ego and protective structures.

If you feel even 10% curiosity, I invite you to follow this path.
You can read something similar in the words of Dōgen Zenji, a 13th-century Zen master, and his phrase, "to forget the self is to awaken into the ten thousand things." The phrase "intimacy with the ten thousand things" is a common way to describe this state of awakening.

Share what is coming?

So much love,
Lubo

[Lubo]

Hi dear Luce,

Are you with me?

We are investigating what is here.
The easiest way is to share your current experience, how do you feel now?
Let's start from here.

The name of the forum is Liberation Unleashed.
What is not liberated at your own Direct experience?

So much love,
Lubo

[Lubo]

Hi dear Luce,
This guy made a mistake. He shouldn't be be here in your treat. This is a low in LU. Admin will take care this to not heppan again.
How are you? What is going on?
How do you feel?

Warmly,
Lubo

[Luce]

Hi Lubo

I didn't see your replies. I am here now.

I have realised that I had some foretastes of awakening. But Luce had not dissolved, instead I became identified with the thought that there is no Luce.

I have been sitting with the questions 'what am I, without the stories created by thought?' and 'what are the patterns made of?'. Separation feels very thin. Something immense is growing inside me, a buzzing, an expansion, the most intense thing I have ever experienced.

I know that was is holding me back from crossing over is fear. I know that the fear is just a thought but still. There are people that rely on me. I have an important presentation to give on Weds. I understand that these concerns are on this side of the gateless gate. I know that life has always lived without Luce guiding it. I know that I will continue to carry water and chop wood on the other side. But still the fear. I don't have time for this right now. But there will always be fuel for these fearful thoughts, I will never think 'oh now is the time I finally have time for this'. There is only right here right now, they are just thoughts, they have no substance. But still, the fear thoughts exert just enough hold to stop me from crossing, even while the impetus expands within me.

It feels like if you can just reassure me that my presentation will get done and my loved ones will still get cared for I will be able to let go. But at the same time I can see that these are very much concerns on this side. Thoughts. Trivial in the face of eternity. But still, the fear.

So much love Lubo.
Luce

[Luce]

When I asked you about the importance of my work, you asked if I could see it as like singing in the shower with no-one watching. That really stuck with me. I am working on my presentation now and there is such lightness to it. Enjoyment in fitting the pieces together for its own sake. Enjoyment in the emergent patterns. A feeling of peace and expansion that is with me more and more as a background to life.

[Lubo]

I hear you Luce!
fear is just an interpretation of what really is going on here.
I like very much :

When I asked you about the importance of my work, you asked if I could see it as like singing in the shower with no-one watching. That really stuck with me. I am working on my presentation now and there is such lightness to it. Enjoyment in fitting the pieces together for its own sake. Enjoyment in the emergent patterns. A feeling of peace and expansion that is with me more and more as a background to life.

Exactly!

It feels like if you can just reassure me that my presentation will get done and my loved ones will still get cared for I will be able to let go

:) No need to let go, see the reality, you are making love as "making presentation" - look how you are enjoying deeply that fingers are touching the computer, the bright screen, the colours...
yes the presentation will be excellent. notice how you are making love with all people there, with room, with the presentation and what you are feeling is not fear but you are making love with the excitement within .
Notice behind the vail of shame How we are making love together as seeking and guiding? So pure, so innocent, so real!

Look around:
we are vast
and we are making love with all this beauty here
called life...
Thoughts are just 5% of the whole experience. And no need to shift thoughts.
See with the eyes of The Lover - we are

I know that I will continue to carry water and chop wood on the other side.

You are on the other side.
notice does the hand and thought are doing something or simply your presence, joy, desire Awareness we are - make posible hands to move and eyes to see?
Without us what hands, eyes, life... Look the whole picture.

So much Love,
Lubo

[Luce]

You are on the other side.

Look around:
we are vast

I can so feel the vastness, it's right there, all the time. If I get distracted it's just a slight shift of attention away.
There is still an illusion of separation. I KNOW it is an illusion but it persists. It feels like I am on the edge of the vastness, which is using these senses, from this perspective, sensing things that are somehow out there and separate. Even writing that the idea of separation seems to make less sense than it did. I've been resting in the vastness, the sense of what I truly am. At some level it feels like am grasping for the next unfolding and stopping it from happening. It's hard to explain. I know it's already here, not even in reach, but here, the last scraps of illusion just need to fall away. I'm caught between understanding nonduality conceptually vs experientially.

notice does the hand and thought are doing something or simply your presence, joy, desire Awareness we are - make posible hands to move and eyes to see?
Without us what hands, eyes, life... Look the whole picture.

The fear is gone, I yearn to see the whole picture.
It feels like it is still unfolding. I absolutely trust that it is unfolding as it should, the only way it can.

[Lubo]

The fear is gone, I yearn to see the whole picture.

Excellent!

There is still an illusion of separation. I KNOW it is an illusion but it persists

OK. Forget about the world for 5 min.
When you turn the focus in the body what is experience there?
Without thoughts commenting.

So much love,
Lubo

[Luce]

When you turn the focus in the body what is experience there?

The body feels light, tingly, vibrant, like it's expanding beyond where I have become used to its boundaries being. I put the hands together and for a moment it was just sensation, not located in the hands. It was surprising that the fingers even met at all.

Without thoughts commenting.

Thoughts keep popping up:
Yes, this is it!
It's starting to dissolve!
Now I will see the whole picture!
Grasping to see.
I see the thoughts for what they are, they dissolve quickly.
It feels like the thoughts are superimposing a sense of 'trying' that gets in the way.
I don't think I'm resisting them, just recognising them for what they are, letting them dissolve.
It's obvious that truth is between the thoughts.

[Lubo]

So beautiful.

The body feels light, tingly, vibrant, like it's expanding beyond where I have become used to its boundaries being. I put the hands together and for a moment it was just sensation, not located in the hands

YEEES We Awareness have bodies, mmmm

Love,
Lubo

[Luce]

YEEES We Awareness have bodies, mmmm

haha, I am leaning into the mystery.

Here is where I am right now:
I'm still identifying with thoughts: as a person who sees the thoughts for what they are and is not attached to them. Is amused by them. The little scamps. But still as a separate entity that is having the thoughts, even if I'm not buying into the stories any more.

A thought.
Then, thought: 'oh look a thought'
Thought: 'i see what you're doing thoughts, hahaha, you scamps'
Which is of course another thought.
Round and round.

All distracting from the space between the thoughts. The wonderful, peaceful, vast space between the thoughts.

I settle into the space between the thoughts, feel the vastness.
'Yes! Rest here'.
'Oh look a thought'
And round we go.

Sometimes the vastness is so present and intimate it feels like a blister that is so very ready to burst. Just the slightest touch will be enough.
But then a thought.

But, still, trust in you, trust in the universe. Which conceptually I know is the same thing but not quite yet in my soul.

Much love to you Lubo.
Luce

[Lubo]

You are amazing!

I'm still identifying with thoughts: as a person who sees the thoughts for what they are and is not attached to

The freedom is from person but not for person
Notice the feeling of freedom from this person that is not attached to thoughts? :)

Sometimes the vastness is so present and intimate it feels like a blister that is so very ready to burst. Just the slightest touch will be enough.
But then a thought.

Luce, the capacity to shift from the limited personality we've inhabited—into Vastness and Freedom—is a simple skill

Let me show you how, step by step, together:

Notice the sensation of the persona in your body. Describe what is there: Fear? Smallness? What else belongs to that limited shape?

Then, notice how that persona is constantly in trouble: trauma, problems... Is there ever an end?

Now, shift from the persona (not to it, but from it) and enter the Vastness where everything floats within you. You are the Life Force, the Causality, and Love in Action.

(It may help to listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcj0HV6BLUU.)

Close your eyes and notice an imaginary ambulance descending from the sky—from the Absolute—and gently taking the persona away from you.

Notice are you are still here? :),
but the personality—the one living as the shape of the body—is Gone! The scared one, the small one, the born one—that small, little shit you carried—is vanished.

Now, notice you are still here... but not as a body, not as a persona?

Of course, new "shit" will appear. But now you know that you are not the shit, but the Pure Life Force.
And what happens with the new the "shit"? is immediately vanished again, right?
It truly is simple, like flicking a hair off your shirt.

First you notice the hair, then you see the entire garment. And the Whole, you flick away the hair, which is not part of the beauty and power that you are.

Practice and report your progress.

If you spot that voice that says 'I can’t' and is afraid—that is the hair. See how an imaginary ambulance descends from the sky and takes away that imaginary small thing that says 'I can’t.'
And notice what left? Notice the freedom from person that remain?

So Much Love to you Luce
Lubo

[Luce]

Hi Lubo

I can see how caught up the persona is in language and concepts and ideas and beliefs. A big old knot of imaginary stuff that is loosening. I keep thinking I've untied it but I haven't.

I feel caught in a paradox. I just need to let it all go and SEE. Let it unfold. Step over the edge. But there is no-one to let go and nothing to let go of.

Maybe I'm still scared, afraid to let go of the concepts, of clever luce.

Notice the sensation of the persona in your body. Describe what is there

A small child, scared and alone, I felt such compassion.

enter the Vastness where everything floats within you

it was so clear. I looked for Luce but the idea just wasn't there. Thought had nothing to catch onto.

I rested there. The birds sounded so clear. Not apart. I heard children playing, all within me.

But now it feels like a dream, faded. Not gone though. A sense of the vastness lingers. But the sense of an entity watching from inside my head is still there, even though I know there isn't one. And I can't find one if I look.

I had a glimpse of life living, sound hearing, touch touching, but when I opened my eyes, sight seeing was beyond me.

I thought I might be 'there'. But there is no there. I know it's already here, as it is. I'm still so bound up in concepts and ideas and language, even when I can clearly feel something beyond that, in between it.

I don't know what I'm expecting but there is some kind of expectation getting in the way.

Much love, Luce