Ali wrote:There is no self to be found in the field of perception
vince said; This is straight forward experiencing, right ?
Ali said; Maybe.
Can direct perception be anything other than experiential ?
The self is deeply rooted and won't go away.
The self that you can't perceive ?
Maybe it is that the story of self is ingrained habit ??
Reading things written by other people.
Big trap here. As everybody is unique, so their experiencing is unique. In the past 12 months here at LiberationUnleashed i have seem well over a hundred people wake up, and none had the same experience. Most laughed at the 'ordinariness' of it. (the cosmic joke) Those few who had a profound experience were dismayed to find it fading (usually within a few weeks and some in hours)
If you rely on stories of others for a yardstick, you are setting yourself up for suffering.
ONLY YOU can validate this for you !
That I should initially have a permanent knowing of no-self
This
might happen after many years of deepening (post gate)
or some feeling/relief to confirm the seeing.
Yes, some indication. Not necessarily feeling. As feelings are the physical manifestation of thought, there likely will be feelings associated with it. But the thought that generates the feeling will be the way Recognition is communicated to you, and so won't be thought that is a response to other thoughts. It will be thought that puts into words (inadequately) the experiencing of a recognition.
For me it was the recognition that everything that exists in experiencing (now), is IT. (REALITY)
