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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Reby » Fri Oct 24, 2025 11:14 pm

Hi dear Elad, first of all how are you?
Tell me more about what you are experiencing. In general, and also with the exploration of (no) self.
Of course!
So, in general, I've been going through a period of depression and anxiety, but things are improving now.
It seems like a lot is coming to the surface and it's catching me off guard emotionally. I knew doing this job could happen, and that's okay.
I tell myself that I "have to" learn to "be with" without judgment, with acceptance and openness, without clinging to anything, but... I can't.
When a disturbing emotion or a disturbing thought arrives, I become that emotion and that thought, and there's no room for anything else.
The search for the no-self... I've put it on hold because when I'm too bad, this unfortunately fades into the background like so many other things... but now I'd like to get back to it.
I feel like I've taken steps backwards and am back to where I started.
Or maybe not...
I don't understand, maybe you can help me clarify.
I continue to feel my presence in this body/mind as a witness, to summarize.

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Sat Oct 25, 2025 2:08 pm

Tell me more about what you are experiencing. In general, and also with the exploration of (no) self.
Of course!
So, in general, I've been going through a period of depression and anxiety, but things are improving now.

Glad things are improving.

It seems like a lot is coming to the surface and it's catching me off guard emotionally. I knew doing this job could happen, and that's okay.

Yes things coming up is an opprtunity, even if "bitter medicine".

I tell myself that I "have to" learn to "be with" without judgment, with acceptance and openness, without clinging to anything, but... I can't.

The challange here is you are resisting resistance. Of course this cannot work. You cannot stop fire with fire, you cannot stop ego with ego. Of course there is no real responsible ego. Just confused habits. Even the resistance need not be resisted. Only seen.

Try to be curious: what I am believing should not be there now?

DON'T TRY TO CHANGE IT, JUST BE CURIOUS TO DISCOVER MANY TIMES: WHAT RIGHT NOW AM I BELIEVING SHOULD NOT BE THERE? THAT IS THE RESISTANCE. WE CANNOT CHANGE IT. BUT WITH CLEAR SEEING, GRADUALLY CHANGE WILL COME.

When a disturbing emotion or a disturbing thought arrives, I become that emotion and that thought, and there's no room for anything else.

No, you do not become it, there is no you to become it. It just happens as it is. Including your belief that it is you. Just happening.

I don't understand, maybe you can help me clarify.
I continue to feel my presence in this body/mind as a witness, to summarize.

Try to look MANY TIMES during the next days: What exactly am I experiencing here and now AS IF it is the witness?

Again, don't try to change it, just look for what it is that is experienced AS IF it is a self/witness here and now.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Reby » Tue Oct 28, 2025 4:38 pm

Try to look MANY TIMES during the next days: What exactly am I experiencing here and now AS IF it is the witness?
I don't know the answer...
I've been wondering this for days and can't find an answer.
In direct sensory experience, I can't find the witness, but perceptions must arrive AT SOMETHING, otherwise how can we be aware of them?
And also, Elad, forgive me, i know this is pure speculation and I don't would to ask you this question but if I don't, it keeps going around in my head and it seems like a fundamental question:
how I can find the witness? If so, it would be a witnessed event and no longer a witness.
the subject/object issue has always created big problems for me and I really don't know how to get around it

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Tue Oct 28, 2025 4:47 pm

Try to look MANY TIMES during the next days: What exactly am I experiencing here and now AS IF it is the witness?
I don't know the answer...
I've been wondering this for days and can't find an answer.
In direct sensory experience, I can't find the witness, but perceptions must arrive AT SOMETHING, otherwise how can we be aware of them?
And also, Elad, forgive me, i know this is pure speculation and I don't would to ask you this question but if I don't, it keeps going around in my head and it seems like a fundamental question:
how I can find the witness? If so, it would be a witnessed event and no longer a witness.
the subject/object issue has always created big problems for me and I really don't know how to get around it

You are right, you can't find the witness. There is no witness. All we do here is help you repeatedly compare the belief in witness/self and so forth with direct experience (no witness, no self, you already see it) until it clicks and what is already seen is accepted........

Now look at this BELIEF that there most be something thar percieves. Why? Is this not just an assumption based on how language works? We can have wind without a "wind-person", snow without a "snow-person", rain without a "rain person", heart beating without a "heart person". In the same way we can have thoughts, perception, and so forth just happening as natural process. In fact you already SEE this in direct experience. You are just clinging to the beliefs that you inherited from culture and language......
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Tue Oct 28, 2025 4:54 pm

Try for the next days to repeat these sentences many times:

"awareness and clarity can happen without a self doing it"

"love can happen without a self doing it"

"creative actions can happen without a self doing it"

"learning and development can happen without a self doing it"

Just play with saying these sentences during the day, and then let go of (imagined) control and just see what happens by itself. Let me know what is experienced.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Reby » Thu Nov 06, 2025 3:31 pm

Hi Elad, forgive me but I have this question going around in my head, if I don't exist, who/what are you addressing?
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude but I need to know.
Thanks!

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Thu Nov 06, 2025 8:37 pm

Here is something I wrote another client today.

The realization of no self is like realizing that there is no stable enduring and real "here", that "here" is always just a word, a thought, a way of thinking, orienting and speaking, that makes sense in the conventional functioning of life. So it's not like we stop having a sense of "here" and "self" and they are part of thoughts and speech, its that it is clearly realized that they do not point to anything ultimately real and separate, outside of their use within conventional communication and orientation, "the relative". We see clearly that "here" and "I" is not an agent doing anything, responsible for anything, it is just designation for practical purposes. And the designating also happens by itself.

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The point is not that there is no you or me conventionally speaking and we use it for communication. The point is that none of it points to a real self, standing separate and doing. It is just concepts that are part of the way life functions.

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In the end you just wanna keep facing that you do not find any kind of self doing anything at all in direct experience, and that the self is just a belief you are holding on to.


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You didn't write me back how it was exploring this. Please always engage what I send you and let me know how it goes.

Try for the next days to repeat these sentences many times:

"awareness and clarity can happen without a self doing it"

"love can happen without a self doing it"

"creative actions can happen without a self doing it"

"learning and development can happen without a self doing it"

Just play with saying these sentences during the day, and then let go of (imagined) control and just see what happens by itself. Let me know what is experienced.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Thu Nov 06, 2025 8:49 pm

Sharing with you another text from fellow guide Vince. I have an intuition his very down to earth and kind way of speaking about awakening could be useful to you. *Out* of grand ideas and grand aspirations. *In* to small moments of openness and noticing what happens, and what is real and what is imagined, that become more and more pervasive in life. Here it is:


Enlightenment is the clear seeing that the separate, controlling “me” is a mental construction added after experience—not the owner of it. When that imagined center loosens, reality is met as it is: sensations, sights, sounds, thoughts, and actions unfolding without extra argument.

What it feels like (ordinary, biological, immediate)

Experience becomes direct and simple: breathing, seeing, hearing, moving.

The body relaxes out of the posture of “managing reality.” Jaw/eyes/shoulders soften; breath drops.

Thoughts still appear, but they’re recognized as thoughts—like inner sounds/images—not a commander.

Moments of flow (pouring tea, walking, speaking) reveal doing without a doer: action continues smoothly without a self-narrator claiming it.

What it is not

Not a spiritual costume (no halos, no cosmic specialness).

Not a psychological renovation (no endless fixing/peeling).

Not dissociation or passivity: functioning stays intact (often cleaner).

Not a permanent mood. States change; the insight is about what you are not.

Key shift (map vs. territory)

Territory: raw events—pressure at seat, warmth in chest, sound of traffic, a thought rising.

Map: labels and stories—“my back,” “anxiety,” “they disrespected me,” “I am this kind of person.”
Enlightenment privileges territory first, uses the map as a tool. Suffering spikes when we mistake the map for the world.

How the illusion operates

Sensation or event happens.

The mind auto-generates a caption: I did / I feel / they made me feel.

The body tightens around that caption (identity glue).
Seeing this sequence in real time weakens the glue.

Simple tests you can do today

Event → Story: Name 3 contacts, 2 sounds, 1 light/shadow where you are. Notice the drop in the “manager.”

Verb-only minute: Walk and whisper: seeing, stepping, balancing, breathing. Action continues without “I” in the lead.

Dot-map: Close eyes, find 3–5 sensation “dots” (buzzing, warmth, pressure). Add one room sound. Watch the solid “body” become a transparent outline over activity.

Obstacles & confusions

Chasing a state: Treating a calm moment as a trophy to keep. (Let ease be weather.)

Meaning-maxing: Inflating stories to feel “significant.” (Let meaning show up as tone and deed, not identity.)

Projection: Relating to inner movies about others instead of the actual person. (Flag image, return to event.)

Spiritual identity: “The awakened one” becomes a new mask. (Use labels like hats—wear, remove.)

How life changes (integration)

Less friction: Fewer arguments with what’s already true.

Cleaner care: Boundaries and kindness arise from what the situation needs, not from performance.

Loneliness shifts: You see feelings are internally generated and co-regulated with others; “alone” turns into honest contact with self and clearer connection with people.

Want relaxes: Preference remains; grasping fades. Action becomes smaller, saner, kinder.

Misconceptions

“Enlightenment fixes emotions.” No—emotions still move; the second-layer struggle drops.

“It grants certainty.” No—comfort with not-knowing grows; curiosity leads.

“It ends personality.” No—traits keep appearing; they’re less sticky, less defended.

A compact working definition

Enlightenment is the ongoing recognition that experience doesn’t need a separate owner to happen; the “self” is a helpful story when used lightly, and a source of suffering when believed absolutely. Living from that recognition means meeting events before stories, letting labels be tools, and allowing life to act through you without the extra labor of a manager.

Daily micro-loop (3 minutes total)

Morning: 3–2–1 (contacts, sounds, light) before phone.

Midday: Replace one identity sentence with a description + next small move.

Evening: 60s verb-only walk; note one projection you flagged today.

No ascent. No coronation. Just this—breath, light, sound, contact—met directly, with less glue and more room in the chest. That is the “result” the hero-story was pointing to all along.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Reby » Tue Nov 11, 2025 5:06 pm

Try for the next days to repeat these sentences many times:

"awareness and clarity can happen without a self doing it"

"love can happen without a self doing it"

"creative actions can happen without a self doing it"

"learning and development can happen without a self doing it"
I've tried several times, but nothing works.
Note: Vince's suggestions are very nice but i feel I need an approach that keeps me grounded in direct, nude and raw experience because I tend to be too mental..

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:46 pm

What does it mean nothing works? I bet you become attentive you will find that "not working" is not an observation, just a story that is believed.

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Re "not being too mental" - okay. Practice alternating between:

1) periods of 20-30 min sitting still, eyes closed, and just look: what is controlling thoughts and movements? Just keep looking and see what happens.

2) periods of 20-30 min sitting still, eyes closed, and let things be as they are. Let things be means no need to change anything or succeed in anything, and no need to not change anything or not succeed in anything. Even if you find yourself automatically trying to change things and succeed in things, fine. Even if your mind blabbers and resists, fine.

Do several periods of both types of practice each day, alternating between them. Do this for several days. The more the better, as long as you honor the rest of your life too. Then write me.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)


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