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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Tue Sep 23, 2025 3:52 pm

Do the exercise from my last message more times - at least 7 times more.
Yes, ok
Staying with that this is it - what is the biggest dissapointment about it? What was your biggest expectation to now let go of?
I cry with rage.
I wanted to have the big answers in my hands.
It seems like a huge mockery (not being able to know).
I had so much hope for this...
all the books I'd read, all the videos I'd seen, the meetings with enlightened people. What were they talking about?
The greatest hope?
I wanted knowledge
I don't know if I'll be able to let go.

Yes, continue to face this rage, the dissapointment, the tears. The character thinking he cannot let it go. Just stay with it. No answers, just this mystery, and no real separate self in it.

Write me again in some hours or tomorrow and tell me how the reactions continue to unfold.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Reby » Wed Sep 24, 2025 5:42 pm

Hi Elad, I'm letting you know that yesterday's negative emotions are gone.
I still have doubts about what you're saying (and I deeply apologize if I doubt your words).
Nothing has changed here, everything is as it was before, and I mean it...
I haven't been able to repeat the exercise many times yet; I'll do it again tomorrow.

Thanks:)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Wed Sep 24, 2025 6:07 pm

Hi Elad, I'm letting you know that yesterday's negative emotions are gone.
I still have doubts about what you're saying (and I deeply apologize if I doubt your words).
Nothing has changed here, everything is as it was before, and I mean it...
I haven't been able to repeat the exercise many times yet; I'll do it again tomorrow.

Thanks:)


You can give attention to your doubt and argument thoughts about change/not-change, which will keep the habitual fantasy running.

Or you can read my mail and do the exercise with the kind of sincerity and openness that was there yesterday, giving rise to emotions. The second option will burn up the denial and resistance.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Thu Sep 25, 2025 8:34 pm

I share two passages from our correspondence. The first, she is facing like you started doing two days ago, that the seeing is there, and that it gives NOTHING of what the ego (what thoughts think you are) thought and wanted:

After sitting with the disappointment…I have just been balling my eyes out for the past hour. I’m so heartbroken and disappointed. There is a feeling of being ripped off and wasting the past almost 4 years of my life. I’ve lost so much – all of my friends, my hobbies, my interest, my looks just over this stupid non-duality awakening thing. And all for nothing. I didn’t even get any glimpse or awakening experiences, no merging with oneness or being in awareness. I see now that I had all of these expectations. I don’t even know what I was doing that whole time, I was stuck in some weird non-duality thought world. This just feels so soul-crushing. Thoughts were saying that I was doing something but I wasn’t doing anything. I didn’t want to admit it to myself but I had so many expectations of what awakening was and even that last expectation that it was going to be a loss, not a gain. I didn’t even lose anything. It’s just nothing. It’s like someone has been playing a cruel joke on me. Is there even such a thing as non-duality...I feel like I have been in some weird dream.

I don't know yet. This is all just so fresh and so shocking. This is not what I thought we were talking about at all. I thought this had something to do with spirituality but it's nothing to do with that....I just can't stop crying. Is this why people cry on the videos. I just need to take a day...I'll write again tomorrow if that's okay. Thank you.


What is worth noticing here is how deeply this faced, without returning to the enjoyable and boring fantasies about gain and what this is supposed to be, without returning to mind bla bla of "got it or not got it", "something changed or nothing changed". I tell you what was seen is the same as what is in "your" direct experience, which you responded to with some sincerity two days ago, before habitual stuff settled in again.


And here is the same client the day after:


Hi Elad!!!!!!!!
I just had to write an update further to my previous message. After I wrote it I went downstairs to cut some vegetables and all of a sudden the tears of heartbreak and disappointment turned into uncontrollable laughter. The cruel joke is now the beautiful joke!! There is so much gratitude and joy. I feel like the weight of a million worlds has been lifted off my shoulders. I can't stop crying (in a good way now). I have so much energy I feel like I could run a marathon. There is so much energy in my body I feel like I am going to explode (in a good way). I don't even know what's going on. I just feel so happy. I haven't felt happiness in so long I totally forgot what it felt like. This is what happiness feels like!! I didn't even know I was unhappy!! There is just so much release and crying, I don't know what is going on. I have never had this much energy in my life! There is just so much energy!! I don't know what happened - this is all very confusing but oh my god thank you so much! I will write again tomorrow when I hopefully calm down LOL...I just wanted to give an update! T


And one day after:

Hi Elad.
I barely slept last night as there was still so much energy. Energy, relief and exhaustion all at the same time. There was also some sadness and grieving, almost like I lost an old friend. Of course nothing was really lost as Marta was always just a thought, an image in my head. Even when thoughts come now, I can't believe them anymore - just like the Santa Clause thing. There is also some grieving for the old beliefs I had about spiritually and non-duality that I thought I had seen through but were still lingering. But mostly there is just relief that the search is over. Seeking has completely died as there is nothing to find.

I want you to really take in, that nothing was more special about the seeing that happened there, then the seeing I hear you express. Only one difference - from last I heard from you - here the dissapointment was fully faced and stayed with, rather then returning to bla bla mind.

Now see the reactions to all this. See they are chosen by no one. See no one is there to stand outside of that stream of thoughts, reactions, bla bla, sensations, awareness, etc. See it is so trivial and already seen. See there is no one to stand outside of it and see it or not see it.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Thu Sep 25, 2025 8:36 pm

Last message somehow the beginning was cut off:

Hey Reby,

At this point I think it might be helpful to share from the correspondance with one of my former clients. I share two passages from our correspondence. The first, she is facing like you started doing two days ago, that the seeing is there, and that it gives NOTHING of what the ego (what thoughts think you are) thought and wanted.........
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Reby » Fri Sep 26, 2025 12:09 am

Dear Elad, first of all, THANK YOU!
Today I continued and repeated the exercise several times. I also do it in my normal daily activities. Every time I remember it, I mentally repeat what I'm doing, conjugating it in the infinitive ("to think" while thinking, "to walk" while walking, etc.).
This weekend, I won't be able to carve out moments of solitude to continue with the written exercise. I hope the mental repetition (as I told you) goes well.
Otherwise, I haven't had any more moments of discouragement. A strong doubt remains, but you've already answered my question in detail.
Please tell me if, in addition to the mental exercise (assuming it goes well), I can do/pay attention/look at anything else this weekend.
For your information, I'll be fully operational again on Monday.
Again, thanks for all ❤️

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Fri Sep 26, 2025 4:59 pm

You might play with this as well: introduce periods, as short as 2 minutes or longer (2, 5, 15...) where you "decide" that there is no goal, nothing to achieve, no change, no understanding, etc. And then you just notice what happens during the period. It could be anything. Maybe playing a game on your phone, or just sitting, or thoughts analysing what is happening or analysing the exercise, etc etc. In any case, just notice what "the mind does", "the body does", "nature does", "the mystery does".

Have a nice weekend!
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Reby » Tue Sep 30, 2025 6:13 pm

Hi Elad, thanks!
at the end i got back today.
I'd like to take another day for exercises, okay?

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Tue Sep 30, 2025 8:56 pm

Hi Elad, thanks!
at the end i got back today.
I'd like to take another day for exercises, okay?

Sure!
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Reby » Wed Oct 01, 2025 5:11 pm

Dear Elad,
I've repeated the exercises several times. The one about thinking about daily activities while omitting "I do" gives the whole thing a sense of impersonality, but I experience it more as a mental trick that lasts as long as I do it.
Telephone game exercise: (I'm a big gamer)
- the mind, or thoughts, go their own way; they don't decide the moves, they don't shift attention, they don't decide when to start and when to stop.
- the body does it on its own; looking more closely, the fingers move on their own. There seems to be an underlying will/intention, but even I see that this also happens on its own.
- nature... what do you mean?
- mystery, ditto... sorry, maybe I'm missing the point.

I feel stuck somewhere, and I don't even know where, but essentially I still believe in a Reby entity that is me. I still identify with emotions I can't bear, and with disturbing thoughts.
I wish and need now more than before to delve deeper and move forward

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Wed Oct 01, 2025 5:35 pm

Dear Reby,

What you’ve written is as before largely very clear. You’ve already seen that the body moves on its own, that thoughts arise on their own, that even “intention” seems to happen by itself. The words nature and mystery don't matter if they don't resonate with you.

You don’t need to change the feeling of “a Reby entity that is me”, as I said before, and don't need to change the sense of believing in it (whatever that means). You don’t need to make it go away. What’s important is to turn toward it and see it nakedly for what it is in real time, "inside". It also doesn't matter so much what you write here or think. The only thing that really matters in what we do here, is the seeing of the unfolding. Which is already happening to a large extent, plus dissapointment and a pattern of thoughts that cling to candy of beliefs in how it is to experience self or experience no self.

So: When this supposed sense of “me” appears, especially with emotions you “can’t bear” or disturbing thoughts - pause. Don’t try to get rid of it, and don’t analyze it, and don't try to change it. You can't. Just find in direct experience:

Where in the body is it felt? Chest, gut, throat, head?

What is the raw texture? Tightness, warmth, pressure, vibration?

As you stay with the sensation, can you find an actual “entity”, or only sensation + thoughts saying “this is me”?
Can you even find a belief in me? Or just that a habit seems to claim it. Where is the belief?

Analyzing "your" experience is useless, is is just more bla bla inside the thought world. Only thing that matters is seeing what already is here and happenig.

Delving deeper here doesn’t mean doing a new trick, although tricks like gaming often actually bring more freshness of attending and seeing, than the boring repetition of thought belief (can you see that?). Delving deeper here means staying with exactly what you’re calling “me” — not conceptually, but as raw, present sensation and thought, not trying to change the experience or belief, just seeing the boring repetition, the laughable or misserable joke of it.

Don’t rush. Just LOOK again and again and again and again and again. Let me know what is experienced when you actually stay with the felt sense of “Reby” instead of trying to change or escape it, or worst be smart and intellectualizing about it. Your honest frustration, anger, distrust and disbelief are worth more here - they are RAW, and raw is in one sense closer. Although ultimately, even the "oh flawed me" attitude and even the smart intellectualizing are just other manifestations to see for what they are.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Reby » Mon Oct 06, 2025 1:53 pm

Hi Elad, I wanted to let you know that I'm feeling a bit depressed lately and haven't looking more ...
I'm still interested in this thing but I've lost the drive. I hope I get back to it soon because I still want to get to the bottom of it...

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:52 pm

Hey Reby,

Take all the time you need. When realization starts to dawn, sometimes the initial reaction is in the direction of depression, because of the helplessness and disapointment. When it is more fully accepted, in its own time and way, not something "we" can control, the "mood" of truth changes.

Here is another Vince story to support you:


The train let Nadia out before dawn, the station still deciding whether to be night or morning. She stepped onto the platform with two bags and the kind of quiet that follows a long last chapter. The town smelled like brine and bread. Somewhere, gulls were practicing their vowels. Everything looked almost-familiar the way a dream looks like a place you once lived.

Her old life had been a well-furnished certainty: a role with a title, a kitchen drawer for each tool, a calendar that hummed like a reliable engine. Now there was the wide room of not-knowing—and a part of her reaching for walls.

At the curb, she made the first bargain with the past: Find coffee, pretend you belong. A neon sign answered, blinking awake over a small café. Inside, a radio whispered from another decade; steam fogged the glass; the barista wore a sweater that had chosen utility over statement. Nadia ordered tea as if she had always ordered tea there.

When the cup arrived, her old narrator slid onto the stool beside her. We should decide who we’re going to be in this town, it said briskly. Get a grip. Control the optics. Don’t look lost.

Nadia wrapped both hands around the mug and didn’t answer. She had not come here for better optics.

She tried something she’d practiced in secret during the dismantling of her old life. Ten seconds of the movie in her head—new job interviews, new neighbors’ eyes, the ache of being unintroduced—she let it spool out, vivid as a billboard. Then she named the room. Feet on tiled floor. Heat against palms. The radio’s soft, tinny saxophone. Light halved by the window frame. The breath that had camped out in her throat wandered down to its home territory. The narrator lost a little of its legal authority.

A man at the counter—late fifties, the posture of an honest back—spilled sugar packets like a sudden snow. He swore softly, then grinned at her as if the world had just proven itself charming. “First day?” he asked, not unkindly.

“First morning,” Nadia said. She could feel the role of Competent Newcomer trying on her mouth. Smile. Ask strategic questions. Appear capable. Instead she tried the function without the costume. “If you had one piece of advice for someone who doesn’t know anything yet?”

The man considered. “Don’t fix the map before you’ve walked the street.” He swept the sugar into a neat hill. “Luca,” he added, offering his name like it could be borrowed and returned.

She said her own name as if it were newly minted. The radio traded notes for silence. Nadia stood, thanked the room out loud, and walked into the day without choosing a personality.

The town’s main street sloped toward the water. She followed it like a question. Markets were waking; crates of spinach exhaled green; fish glimmered briefly like inventions. Every face she saw tried to recruit her history—Do they see me? Do I pass?—and every time, she sent her attention back to the facts: shoe on cobble, salt on air, a child’s laugh running sideways across a flock of pigeons.

She found the rental by the harbor: a room with an industrious window, a table with the gravity of old wood. The unfamiliarity at her back pressed like a hand. Her body leaned toward roles she knew—Host, Hustler, Expert. She let the urge announce itself and watched it become a smaller weather. Jaw soft. Eyes soft. Shoulders remembering their width.

That afternoon she carried the table to the window and sat as if the sea were a teacher who refused agendas. The unfamiliarity didn’t recede; it brightened. It spoke in a language her old life hadn’t needed. The language of here.

When anxiety rose, it tried the old tricks—catastrophe headlines, high breath, and a sermon about plans. She answered with something smaller and truer. Old sentence: If I don’t control this, bad things happen. Now facts: Chair under thighs. Light moving across the wall. No disaster arriving in this minute. The wave completed without a moral. Nothing collapsed.

By evening she walked the pier, a notebook in her pocket, a pen that had survived three apartments. She wrote the names of the boats and found the names were instructive. No Bad Days. Quiet Tide. Detour. She laughed alone, a sound with edges and temperature. A gust lifted the hair at her neck and the body bowed without meaning to—just a small orientation toward the wind.

Back in the room, she opened the notebook and wrote the simplest possible inventory:

Image: tomorrow’s first conversation, painted in assumptions.

Event: gray water; orange buoy; warmth at sternum; hunger that means dinner, not doom.

Role tug: Fixer wants to schedule the next four years.

Function only: ask one neighbor a real question; boil pasta; sleep.

Unfamiliarity stayed. It would, for a while. But it no longer felt like a problem to be solved. It felt like unassigned air. Nadia realized the new way of being didn’t require a vow or a costume change. It required not forcing a map over a territory that hadn’t been walked. It asked for the humility of reporting: what is happening, right now, without a headline.

Before sleep she stood at the window and let the dark teach her one more thing: you can’t see the depth of water by describing it. You step, you feel, you learn the temperature through your ankles. Unfamiliarity is the entry fee for a life that belongs to itself. She whispered okay to a space that didn’t answer back, and for once, the quiet didn’t ask for explanation. It offered room.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Reby » Fri Oct 24, 2025 9:16 pm

Hi Elad, sorry for the long silence, I've had a tough time. Things are a little better now.
Regarding research, I unfortunately put it on hold for a while, but now I'd love to get back to it, if possible.
Thanks

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Re: I would like to be guided by Poppyseed :)

Postby Elad » Fri Oct 24, 2025 10:04 pm

Hey Reby! Tell me more about what you are experiencing. In general, and also with the exploration of (no) self.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)


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