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[Alless]

I can't find a boundary between inside and outside

Good.

subtle sensations that cause frustration. There has been a lot of frustration in the last few days.

Feel into this frustration Adam.
If you don't label this as frustration how would you describe this sensation that you refer to as frustration in the most basic terms - eg is it hot, jagged, hollow. painful? What's the best descriptor you can find?




You say the sensation is CAUSING what the mind is calling frustration. Look again ......is that actually true?




Or is it more true to say there is a sensation that the mind associates with the label or a story about a concept it calls frustration?

and when I look for that "me" there is a movement of attention

The mind is always looking for some THING to land on.
Now read the following description of what might actually be happening

"The mind focuses attention and is looking for a thing called "me" that it assumes has to be there but finds no-thing"
Is that a description of what is happening Adam? If not please tell me what is happening as you look.



What is actually SEEN as you look?

When I look now I can only find more sensation.

Experiencing sensation without a label. This is pure direct experience. And I'm assuming there is more than just a single sensation. Based on that assumption that you are aware of more than one sensation....
Is there any delineation between any of these sensations?




Now back to this question.

And can you find any dividing line or anything that would cause any separation in awareness as you traverse “that space.”

So let's look at this question again. You've talked about thoughts categorizing experience but I don't see any report about boundaries per say
With the experiencing of the sensations that you are aware of can you find any ACTUAL dividing line or boundary or anything that would cause any separation in awareness as you traverse “that space” between a thought and any "external object"?




With love


Alan

[Yano]

Hi Alan,

As I read this, I realised how much I've been in mind and how in the describing of my experience to you, thoughts about this were not acknowledged as thought and would hijack the seeing pretty often.

I also have a habit of delaying the reply because there is often a thought that I need to be in a "better state of mind". I apologise. I know that 1-2 days before replying is optimal.

[Yano]

You say the sensation is CAUSING what the mind is calling frustration. Look again ......is that actually true?
Or is it more true to say there is a sensation that the mind associates with the label or a story about a concept it calls frustration?

Yes, this is more accurate. When I don't label it frustration, it's a gnawing, warm, antsy, electric feeling under the skin.

"The mind focuses attention and is looking for a thing called "me" that it assumes has to be there but finds no-thing"
Is that a description of what is happening Adam? If not please tell me what is happening as you look.

Yes, that is an accurate description.

What is actually SEEN as you look?

The mind would look for a "me" and associate sensations with a concept of "me".

Is there any delineation between any of these sensations?

These sensations appear to be closely clustered together. Laughter has bubbled up a few times. There's a lot of tension here.

With the experiencing of the sensations that you are aware of can you find any ACTUAL dividing line or boundary or anything that would cause any separation in awareness as you traverse “that space” between a thought and any "external object"?

There is no actual dividing line or boundary, just a change to the opacity. It's just seems to be a matter of where attention is placed.

Thank you

[Alless]

As I read this, I realised how much I've been in mind and how in the describing of my experience to you, thoughts about this were not acknowledged as thought and would hijack the seeing pretty often.

This is par for the course Adam. Realizing just how thought hijacks our attention is wonderful seeing. That in itself is so important and at the same time the mind can totally discount how vital that is .

it's a gnawing, warm, antsy, electric feeling under the skin

Now that's so much closer to describing sensation. Lovely

These sensations appear to be closely clustered together. Laughter has bubbled up a few times. There's a lot of tension here.

Ah haa. The laughter is wonderful.
Would you say it just happens spontaneously without knowing what the laughter is specifically about?

There's a lot of tension

Has that tension likely been there a long time but not really recognized as such?

These sensations appear to be closely clustered together.

Yes, often a "bunch" of them so to speak, is felt. And then there can by a particular sensation that is more prominent.
What happens if you just let them ALL be felt without attention being paid to any one of them in particular - just letting them all be?




Is there an independent entity feeling these or is there just the experience of them being felt?





What else is there, what else is noticed as the sensations are felt?





With love


Alan

[Yano]

Hi Alan,

I've been sitting with your questions but it's been a bit tumultuous.

A few days ago I was looking at that sense of "me" and something clicked into place. The haze of mind I'd been in that day instantaneously disappeared. Now it's as if the membrane of mind is very thin, but it's still just as easy to get caught up in it.

Just letting you know I'm still here and will reply shortly,

Adam

[Alless]

Thank you Adam

but it's still just as easy to get caught up in it.

The important thing is not that you're still getting caught but to realise that you're getting caught and then to see ........
what is it that gets caught?




And what tells you that you got caught?





With love


Alan

[Alless]

Hello Adam

Are you still with us Adam?

With love

Alan