Take 2 new guide needed please

[CarefulDog88]

Hi Stacy,

Yes, starting to see all beliefs as just thoughts.

Can Beliefs be anything other than thoughts?

If there is no thought is there a possibility of a belief?

Right. So the answer is it's hogwash. Yes or no?

Do the concepts that you are talking about require thought to exist?

LOOK. where is Stacy in that thought?

It's there in and amongst the other millions of thoughts.

Does Stacy require a thought to exist?

If I drop the thought of Stacy, there is just life doing its thing.

Lets try this again relax and find that contraction in the body and sink into it and just no thought. Let life do it's thing.
And how does this feel in the body?

Practising the tool whenever I remember

Very good, a large part of this is a curiosity, be cuirous.

[Stacyg888]

Hi Paul,

Can Beliefs be anything other than thoughts? If there is no thought is there a possibility of a belief?

Beliefs are thoughts, without thought there is no belief. But now I am going in circles because thoughts are part of DE, they will always arise, there is no getting out of thoughts just arising. Which means beliefs will still be there too. Now what?

Do the concepts that you are talking about require thought to exist?

Yes - therefore they must be hogwash. But is none of it valid in this physical experience? Do we attract our circumstances through our thoughts?

Does Stacy require a thought to exist?

Yes - a whole lot of exhausting thoughts. I realised some messages ago that Stacy is no more real than Santa. I just haven't come to grips with how to drop that belief. I tried referring to "me" as "The Body" rather than "I" to try to de-personalise Stacy - but then people around me reinforce Stacy by referring to me as that. That seems to perpetuate the cycle I am trying to break free of.

And how does this feel in the body?

It feels like home, I am saying that but I don't really know what that even means. It feels right, relaxed, free, unburdened.

[CarefulDog88]

Hi Stacy,

Beliefs are thoughts, without thought there is no belief. But now I am going in circles because thoughts are part of DE, they will always arise, there is no getting out of thoughts just arising. Which means beliefs will still be there too. Now what?

Let 's go back to thoughts; what are thoughts made of?

If Beliefs are thoughts, is there truth in a belief?

Which means beliefs will still be there too. Now what?

Thoughts will be there, is there any reason to suggest that thought would disappear?

If thoughts are seen for what they are, made up of stories, by that little voice that doesn't stop talking and by the images that are created as thought, do they need to stop or can they just be there arising and passing away quickly and with no drama?

I tried referring to "me" as "The Body" rather than "I" to try to de-personalise Stacy - but then people around me reinforce Stacy by referring to me as that. That seems to perpetuate the cycle I am trying to break free of.

There is no need to depersonalise, and don't worry about other external references. All you have to do is relax and stop believing in those beliefs about Stacy. You do this simply by looking at your thoughts and, as each one comes, seeing if they are true.

It feels like home, I am saying that but I don't really know what that even means. It feels right, relaxed, free, unburdened.

Is this Truer than a day stuck in thought story and believing in it?

Does'n't this feel in the body to be your true nature, just BEING?

[Stacyg888]

Let 's go back to thoughts; what are thoughts made of? If Beliefs are thoughts, is there truth in a belief?

Thoughts are not made of anything, there is no truth in that no thing, so no truth in beliefs.

Thoughts will be there, is there any reason to suggest that thought would disappear?

Thoughts will always be there. That's the difficulty I am having - how can I drop beliefs which are just thoughts, when thoughts will always arise?

Do they need to stop or can they just be there arising and passing away quickly and with no drama?

They can, and will, keep going, no need to get caught in the drama. The trick is in knowing how to just let them come and go without buying into them.

Is this Truer than a day stuck in thought story and believing in it?

Absolutely!

[CarefulDog88]

Hi Stacy,

Thoughts are not made of anything, there is no truth in that no thing, so no truth in beliefs.

Are you sure, lets look at this, If a thought is made of nothing than how is it a problem, shouldn't it be just nothing? LOOK closely at a thought and see what it's made of, describe a particular thought and dissect it

Is thought made of sounds and audio?

Is thought made of images?

Do these sounds and images then make a Story that gets narrated by a little voice constantly talking telling the story of Stacy?

Look closely at this and see what is actually happening and tell me what comes up.

[Stacyg888]

Are you sure, lets look at this, If a thought is made of nothing than how is it a problem, shouldn't it be just nothing? LOOK closely at a thought and see what it's made of, describe a particular thought and dissect it Is thought made of sounds and audio? Is thought made of images? Do these sounds and images then make a Story that gets narrated by a little voice constantly talking telling the story of Stacy? Look closely at this and see what is actually happening and tell me what comes up.

If I take the thought that I am Stacy, I can't see it anywhere and it seemingly arrives from no particular location - so it's no thing from no where. But with that thought comes multiple images of who and what "Stacy" is. What comes up is that a thought leads to an image to a sound to a thought and its all a never ending loop playing constantly.

It is a problem because it is distracting me, keeping me trapped in an illusion beyond all that jibber jabber.

[CarefulDog88]

Hi Stacy,
You partially answered the questions and avoided looking deeply at the questions and what the Looking offers.
Thought will not destroy thought, that is the reason we go to Direct Experience, from DE is where you can see.

These questions can open a lot up, so take another go at it, if you slow down, relax and look with intimate focus, what is thought made of?

What comes up is that a thought leads to an image to a sound to a thought and its all a never ending loop playing constantly.

Does the thought lead to it or is the thought made up of images and sound (audio) that little voice that is Stacy?

It is a problem because it is distracting me, keeping me trapped in an illusion beyond all that jibber jabber.

Hmm is this a thought?

[Stacyg888]

Hi Paul,

Thought will not destroy thought

Yes, I keep reminding myself that I can't think my way out of this. But DE doesn't seem to be getting me there either.

what is thought made of?

It is made of words and images. Maybe smells, tastes and sounds too but that would be in the form of words to describe them.

Does the thought lead to it or is the thought made up of images and sound (audio) that little voice that is Stacy?

Stacy is the voice in my head ??? All the thoughts, words, images, voices just mingle in a never ending loop, it is hard, maybe even impossible, to separate them out from each other.

Hmm is this a thought?

Let me rephrase that: it is a problem because I can't see past these thoughts.

[CarefulDog88]

Hi Stacy,

Stacy is the voice in my head ??? All the thoughts, words, images, voices just mingle in a never ending loop, it is hard, maybe even impossible, to separate them out from each other.

Is it necessary to separate all of these the thoughts, words, images, voices that just mingle in a never ending loop?

Can it be possible that this is just what is happening?

You recognise the little voice as being Stacy, this is good, is it necessary to believe these thoughts?

Is it necessary to hold on to the story that the little Stacy narrates as the truth?

Is little story teller Stacy really never ending, or does it just appear that way?

What about in those Gaps where is little Stacy?

Can you find her in the Gaps can you find her in the silence?

or is the silence just happening?

Is Stacy's narrative, little voice, images, words, just happening?

Let me rephrase that: it is a problem because I can't see past these thoughts.

So is it necessary to see past the thoughts?

Can you find a thought that you can see past if you could see past it?

Where is this thought that needs to be seen past?

Are there any thoughts that can be seen past?

What if I told you that it is impossible to see past a thought?

What comes up when you read this?

[Stacyg888]

Hi Paul,

Is it necessary to separate all of these the thoughts, words, images, voices that just mingle in a never ending loop?

No it's not, their mingling just makes it harder to identify them if that's what was needed. I guess it wasn't.

Can it be possible that this is just what is happening?

Yes, everything is what is just happening.

You recognise the little voice as being Stacy, this is good, is it necessary to believe these thoughts?

No and in fact it's best not to, haha.

Is it necessary to hold on to the story that the little Stacy narrates as the truth?

Definitely not necessary but that's the trap that seems to be hard to get out of. I am starting to see DE is the way out of that, I'm just not seeing how.

Is little story teller Stacy really never ending, or does it just appear that way?

She does go quiet occasionally for a few seconds, and when I sleep.

What about in those Gaps where is little Stacy?

She appears to cease to exist but waiting in the wings, ready to reappear a split second after the gap.

Can you find her in the Gaps can you find her in the silence

No, she's not there - and it is a welcome relief, just short-lived.

or is the silence just happening?

It is always just happening, even under Stacy's jibber jabber.

Is Stacy's narrative, little voice, images, words, just happening?

Big aha here! Yes, of course that is all just happening too.

So is it necessary to see past the thoughts?

Maybe past isn't the right word, more like through the thoughts - to the truth, whatever that may be because I'm still not sure what we are after here.

Can you find a thought that you can see past if you could see past it?

No, it is the concept the thought is about that I think I am trying to see past.

Where is this thought that needs to be seen past?

It is just happening, gone as soon as it has arisen.

Are there any thoughts that can be seen past?

When you put it like that, no, of course not.

What if I told you that it is impossible to see past a thought?

I would agree with that now that I am looking at thoughts differently.

What comes up when you read this?

That thoughts are these invisible nothings that come and go yet keep me blinded and trapped in a prison that doesn't even really exist. I want to just go "poof" to the thoughts so they will stop keeping me trapped.

[CarefulDog88]

Hi Stacy,

Is it necessary to hold on to the story that the little Stacy narrates as the truth?

Definitely not necessary but that's the trap that seems to be hard to get out of. I am starting to see DE is the way out of that, I'm just not seeing how.

How to go to DE:
Step 1 A thought is recognized
Step 2 Immediately look to the body to see where the sensation that birthed the thought is.
Is it a contraction in the chest, is it the seeing, the hearing, the taste, the smell, go to the senses and look for what comes up as DE.
Step 3 Ask is this thought true?
Step 4 Repeat
The repetition is what is required.

Maybe past isn't the right word, more like through the thoughts - to the truth, whatever that may be because I'm still not sure what we are after here

Isn't this a thought?
Aren't thoughts just thoughts, no matter what they are based on?
what if the truth is what is happening ?
what comes up when you read this?
PS. read the quote at the bottom of the page in case you missed it :)

That thoughts are these invisible nothings that come and go yet keep me blinded and trapped in a prison that doesn't even really exist. I want to just go "poof" to the thoughts so they will stop keeping me trapped.

Isn't this thought also?

Are you still checking to find the boundaries in between the body and outside surfaces?
What are you finding?

[Stacyg888]

Hello again Paul,

Thank you for going through DE again. I haven't been doing steps 2 to 4. I will give that a go.

Isn't this a thought?

Yes, I see that now.

Aren't thoughts just thoughts, no matter what they are based on?

Yes, all content is irrelevant. I keep forgetting that and getting sucked back into what they are saying.

what if the truth is what is happening ?

I get that the truth is all just happening, I just feel like there's something I am missing/seeing it through a fog/missing the point somehow.

what comes up when you read this?

I have been feeling like we are going in circles, I am trying not to get frustrated but it's like there's something right under my mindset that I'm just not seeing.

PS. read the quote at the bottom of the page in case you missed it :)

I have read it many times, I just don't get what it's pointing to.

Isn't this thought also?

Yes. So if I could just drop the belief in all thoughts, I'd be there, wherever there is.

Are you still checking to find the boundaries in between the body and outside surfaces?
What are you finding?

This takes a lot of concentration for me and my mind wanders off but what I am finding is blurred lines, not the clear lines I once thought were between my body and whatever I am sitting on, touching or lying down on.

[CarefulDog88]

Hi Stacy,

what comes up when you read this?

I have been feeling like we are going in circles, I am trying not to get frustrated but it's like there's something right under my mindset that I'm just not seeing.

Its not that we are going in circles, it is asking the same questions just coming at them with different approaches.

The mindset is just that, thinking, you will always come back to the same outcome, thought. Lets take a break from this line of questioning for a little bit and see if we can do some interactive stuff.

Please remember question everything, and a good way to go about that is just ask "is this thought true?" and by the same token you can also ask "is this sensation true?" wait for the answer and while you are waiting for the answer be in the GAP.

Do this as often as possible, repetition is what will help this recognition.

Are you still checking to find the boundaries in between the body and outside surfaces?
What are you finding?

This takes a lot of concentration for me and my mind wanders off but what I am finding is blurred lines, not the clear lines I once thought were between my body and whatever I am sitting on, touching or lying down on.

This shouldn't be Laborious, relax into it and enjoy it, make fun of it, if it becomes a task the body will contract and try to avoid doing it with distractions.

Try this exercise
“I” labelling

Get a sheet of paper and draw a line that divides that sheet in half. Label one half 'self' and the other side 'other'. Sit down and start a timer for 5 minutes. Every time you have a thought make a mark on the sheet.
If that thought is about the self, put a mark on the self side, if it’s about something else, mark the other side. If a thought about food occurs due to feeling hungry, mark that on the self side. Any thought that refers back to a self should go on the self side. (I'm bored, I'm tired, is the door locked (my safety) that video was funny (I was amused), my back hurts, I am frightened) get it?

Let me know how you go and what you notice.

[Stacyg888]

Hi Paul,

Mindset was actually a typo, that was meant to be "right under my nose" but that's okay, mindset was helpful.

I figured if I ask "is this true" and I actually get an answer, that will just be more thought. Right?

Boundaries exercise - noted, I will relax and into it and have some fun with it.

I labelling exercise - eye opener! Around 90% of thoughts were about "i" and you, Paul, could probably associate most of the other 10% as being indirectly about I too. Clearly I am the centre of my universe. Ha!

May I ask you please, what is it that is going to be achieved through this pointing? This thing that I think I am after but can't actually explain. How would you explain it? I would appreciate your sharing of this.

Thank you for your help and guidance.

[CarefulDog88]

Hi Stacey,

I figured if I ask "is this true" and I actually get an answer, that will just be more thought. Right?

Try it, look at each thought that comes up and ask is this true?
as soon as you notice the thought arising, LOOK and ask, and wait and in the wait see the silence, the emptiness.
Do this as often as possible, for one full day and let me know what comes up please?

I labelling exercise - eye opener! Around 90% of thoughts were about "i" and you, Paul, could probably associate most of the other 10% as being indirectly about I too. Clearly I am the center of my universe. Ha!

Yes, all thought is about the "I" in the first, second or third person, and yes this does put "the you" at the center of everything and separates you from what appears to be outside. creating Subject Object perception, the paradox is that the I and you and Stacy is perceived and can't possible perceive anything.

May I ask you please, what is it that is going to be achieved through this pointing? This thing that I think I am after but can't actually explain. How would you explain it? I would appreciate your sharing of this.

The pointing is to which belief we are looking for and noticing how the sense of this belief manifests.
How is this belief manifesting itself?
Repeat this exercise and LOOK how the belief of "I" manifests itself.
Start in your direct experience and then LOOK how the I manifest itself.

Report back on what you find please.

How would you explain it? I would appreciate your sharing of this.

How would you explain it Stacy?