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[idolanuel]

Trey,
Is there a 'you' in direct experience? Something or someone that can be pointed at?
Look at this one for a while, than write what comes up.

Plz try to be more focused and short in your answers, it will help us progress faster, as this conversation will have a clearer direction.

[Trey]

OK, got it,
Till tomorrow.
w infinite love and gratitude to you Ido.

[Trey]

Question: is there a You in the Experience of Now?
No,
it is a case of mistaken identity, since we have a form that can move, lift, reason, feel, the “I” comes about as it feels independent of nature/life, but we are part of nature.

This body is only experiencing life (through the senses) the mind takes a story and attaches it to an experience and forms a “Me”, this body can totally function without a “Me” as one in a coma or sleep walking does. We do not even have a preference over the foods the “we” prefers, or moods, like thought, to be aware of - as soon as a thought is attached to anything it is creating/reinforcing a self.

Whew! it is one thing to finally grasp this it is another uprooting habitual habit.
Kind of funny now how one cannot find a You when one is in story mode.

[idolanuel]

Great. Very good my friend :-)
Let's play a game now, shall we?

It seems like this is seen, so now let's take the time to deepen the seeing. (Was it a clear sentence? My English is not perfect).

For the next 24 hrs, choose 2 repeating activities that you do through out the day, like opening the refrigerator, walking, sitting, "thinking" etc... And just watch them happen.
In every one of them, ask yourself these questions and just look(Or find yourself some other questions, what ever feels comfortable):
1) Am I Walking? Is there an I that is walking?
2) Is there a someone, that gave the order to walk?
3) What have made the walking to happen?
4) Right now, do I exist?

In the end, it is all a game, isn't it? Take the time to play and tell me what comes up 2morrow.

[Trey]

Thanks Ido, just recognition to you as a teacher, not building an "I" here.
Your English is fine, which reminds me is there a better time of day to post for your schedule as my schedule is totally flexible? This body is located in Florida USA and Yours?

ON the next Assignment - A Ok! Sounds fun.

and finally a little parable i wrote up last night, just for fun. I just noticed/realized also from the assignment given there is no "I" holding the magnet either! ha ha.

A magnet that has my Name on it, just to be able to tell is from the other magnets, as it is pulled over a pile of filings and picks them up, a story is attached to each individual filing, but it is just the nature of the magnet and each filing is still just a filing.

So now the magnet instead of just experiencing each filing as an experience the magnetization of the magnet has created an “I” by pointing at the filing (each experience) and says see that is Me! “I” know it is Me as i can tell you a story about each and everyone of those filings (I even have photos, ha ha ha). So missing the joy of just being a magnet anymore.

Thanks for reading,
till 24hrs,
with infinite love and gratitude!

[Trey]

Good morning Ido,

first real quick in your email the use of "have" in pointer number 3.,
this to "I" it does not matter but to others? so proper english usage would be,

3) What has made the walking to happen? or clearer in english -
What made the walking to happen? or What triggered the walking to happen? and most applicable might be -- What instills the walking to happen?

the 2 repeated activities, 1. getting up, “walking” to the kitchen, 2. sitting with a glass of (water, tea, soda) on a side table.
No on questions 1 & 2 - at least least from my sitting with a glass of tea on the table is very clear it was not commanded by this conscious mind to pick it up and holly smoke catching that internal sensation -
making it into a game of what action is the body going to take without a intentional mental commanding it, amazing.

While walking several times very prominent is that feeling inside is that “I” have never aged yet everything out there is? What is that? Question, In awareness/mindfulness to keep a strong focus on that?

3. What made/instilled the walking to happen? one could say internal muscle memory but as in statement 2 above this all feels like the mind latching on after the fact claiming ownership, which just reinforces the fabricated “Me”.

4. Do i exit? Only awareness exist, mentally this “I” can see/say that and internally sort of focus a sort awareness behind these eyes, as if wanting to catch a glimpse of something? - The mind is certainly not going to solve this ultimate game of hide and seek.

Do you recommend dyadic eye gazing? This “I” was shown several methods several years back but did not comprehend the point of it till possibly now.

Any other pointers or suggestions for this ultimate game of, finally seeing/dropping of this illusion of self to know - the “I Am” It!

w Infinite Love and Gratitude

[idolanuel]

While walking several times very prominent is that feeling inside is that “I” have never aged yet everything out there is? What is that? Question, In awareness/mindfulness to keep a strong focus on that?

We will talk about a few more things soon. Don't feel bothered if not everything is clear yet.

4. Do i exit? Only awareness exist, mentally this “I” can see/say that and internally sort of focus a sort awareness behind these eyes, as if wanting to catch a glimpse of something? - The mind is certainly not going to solve this ultimate game of hide and seek.

Are you awareness?
What is mind? Is it real?

Do you recommend dyadic eye gazing? This “I” was shown several methods several years back but did not comprehend the point of it till possibly now.

I'm not sure what dyadic eye gazing is, but let's stay with direct experience only, for the time of this conversation.

b.t.w, I think it will be more comfortable for both of us if you start using the 'quote' function, here are the instructions: http://liberationunleashed.com/nation/v ... ?f=4&t=660

[Trey]

Ok.

[Trey]

Are you awareness?
What is mind? Is it real?

There is awareness, or it seems there is the sense of it, as if there wasn't how is one able to watch thoughts pass by or get shut out when the form is lost in them.

There is a physical mind, this body can function on its own without commentary on everything. It is this thinking, thought processing part that is the illusion.

So how is it an illusion can block seeing what is, to just allow what is actually happening.

I feel like a dog chasing its tail, so is it just sitting still and looking at nature, while mentally to keep the thoughts occupied it is all nature and this form is not separate?

[idolanuel]

There is awareness

Exactly. There is awareness, there are thoughts, there is a body, there is an emptyness. But "I" - it cannot be found.

So how is it an illusion can block seeing what is, to just allow what is actually happening.

Can an illusion do anything? Is there a something that can do anything?
:-)

I feel like a dog chasing its tail

Can you futher explain this?

Lastly - What is choosing?

[Trey]

got your email but ended up writing two pages for all the questions,

when it gets down to a sentence or two to each question will send it in.

[idolanuel]

HAHA, it's OK, three sentences are fine as well.. :-)
Write as much as you want to, as long as it is focused. Focused answers = focused understanding.

I'm enjoying this thread a lot.

Peace.

[Trey]

First off thanks this pointer, now to embody it, Focused answers = focused understanding.

A. Can an illusion do anything? B. Is there a something that can do anything? :-)

that sure stopped all thinking to a dead halt. A. a resounding No B. life/nature/universe whatever created all this, everything as it is in each moment, including this form typing right now. -- surrendering the illusion of any ownership or authorship, that is the crux of the matter.

"I feel like a dog chasing its tail" -- Can you further explain this?

through empirical questioning 1. my, myself & I are fabricated so there is no self, the "I" seems to be a "felt" part in the middle of skull but again in observation it is clear the body and mind function independent of an "I".

So an illusion cannot dispel an illusion, so now all this conversation to focus/see or bring attention/awareness from external to something internal that causes a reaction so full awareness passes through without being blocked and the “I” disappears.

Now is that chasing ones tail or what, the idea one can get there by writing, over complicating.

This is like in Buddhism to the young monk, you must drop all desires. Yet is it not a desire to want to stop desiring. All that has to happen is the dropping of a perceived ownership or a do’er of the action.

Lastly - What is choosing?

“I” - thinks it is, that is bloody obvious, when in reality it is not at all. How is it thinking can take something so simple, so obvious & create an illusion of trying to jump across the grand canyon when in reality it is just a piece of cellophane separating one back from what it actually is.


Wow “I” is just a thought form, there is a real internal feeling, got it, but the “I” form still persist.
Oh yes and all this writing, like a dog chasing its tail, where i grew up it means not seeing the obvious or chasing an illusion. To the dog it is just built in entertainment, but not to humans it is life or death, ha ha.

[idolanuel]

This is like in Buddhism to the young monk, you must drop all desires. Yet is it not a desire to want to stop desiring. All that has to happen is the dropping of a perceived ownership or a do’er of the action.

Even not that. It is only about seeing that the ownership is just a story - even while it continues to say it is not.

Lastly - What is choosing?

“I” - thinks it is, that is bloody obvious, when in reality it is not at all. How is it thinking can take something so simple, so obvious & create an illusion of trying to jump across the grand canyon when in reality it is just a piece of cellophane separating one back from what it actually is.

But, what is the process of choice? How does the story "I choose" works?

Lastly -
Trey, are you liberated?

[Trey]

What is the process of choice? How does the story "I choose" work?

A mental construct of perceived investment/ownership in a consequence or outcome, which is story all just story. The crux of the matter is dropping ownership, it is what it is and all the rest is story.

Sort of like a deer in the head lights right now, gone into Spock mode as “that is totally logical”. Makes complete sense, “I” is stating ownership, retaining a self even if one thinks they have scene through and given “the self”. Any sense of control, to control, loss of control, no control - anything again a sense of individual ownership.

So it is all about sensing ownership, even in seeing through these eyes there is that sense of ownership as “I” see that, that is there the “I” is here etc.. ahh especially on writing anything, that is so so tricky, how clever and so concealed, every question is an invisible, even innocent way of “I” to retain a sense of ownership, and it just perpetuates - Ohh la la!!!

And we are all in the game substantiating each others sense of self. This gets deep!

are you liberated?

Intellectually Yes, but it feels more like each moment now to remember no ownership, or is that just part of the path till it sinks in, sort of like faking it till you make?


PS: it is my Birthday today, this is the best birthday gift ever, it is like having a Birthday in a birthday, yes a story, ha ha.