I guess I would describe delusion as lying to yourself or tricking yourself into believing something.How would you define the difference between delusion and illusion?
So in this case I would understand it as delusion is viewing the thoughts/self as real and in charge, and illusion would be seeing that the thoughts/self are trying to be seen as real and in charge
It helps elucidate the stage 'I' am at. Basically I 'know' that I am not the thoughts/self, but it has to be continually seen through intentionally until it becomes the default experience.Does that make any difference?
it has to be continually seen through intentionally until it becomes the default experience.
it has to be continually seen through intentionally until it becomes the default experience.
Less clinging to emotions, but also more intense feeling of negative emotions like sadness which to the me that started would sound like a bad change but it let me see they are no different to positive emotions and should be felt (I think previously I was unknowingly repressing these emotions)Have there been any benefits so far along the journey?
Yes there have been glimpses of deeper understanding, moments where the intellectually understood was experientially realHas there been a glimpse or better described as a deeper intellectual understanding?
The initial answer is still I am doing the seeing but upon inquiry this is seen to be a thought and thus seeing/awareness must be doing the seeing or seeing just is?Who's doing the seeing?
I guess I feel like I still get lost in thought too much and clinging to suffering. And still feel the I sense most of the time. Are these perhaps things I would need to work on in other ways? (shadow work/some sort of therapy spring to mind)What if this is it right now, would that be enough?
Look at any assumptions you make in answering that question?
it’s not really up to me if this is all it is, is it?
It feels as though I know the joke but I do not get it. Or perhaps I still do not have enough evidence I am unsure. It still feels like there is more, what I have 'learned' still seems to be mostly intellectual.“If I told you the punch line without first telling you the joke would you laugh?
So, if I told you the conclusion without presenting any of the evidence would you believe me?”
I have mostly always seen the world as beautiful, although there are obviously things within it which are not, and which make me feel sadness to think about. Not sure how this relates to how I am, I guess I think I am mostly good however there are parts that I am unhappy with.We see the world as we are, not how it is, or worse how we want it to be.
I am not really sure, it still feels like I am in charge of my life, like I have agency.What is up to you?
It still feels like there is more,
I have mostly always seen the world as beautiful, although there are obviously things within it which are not,
I guess I think I am mostly good however there are parts that I am unhappy with
What is up to you?
I am not really sure, it still feels like I am in charge of my life, like I have agency.
I guess upon looking and seeing that is all it is there is still some attachment to being the observer of these things?There are the sensations experienced, including the thoughts, what more is there?
It is just thoughts, I guess I was aligning with these more than I realisedWho decides and how is it decided what is beautiful or not?
It feels as though I can try to change. This process itself feels like part of that attempt to change. Although upon inquiry it is not actually changing just changing how the thoughts are seen/experienced?Can you do anything about the good and bad parts and what's the criteria for picking good and bad?
Every thought about 'me' seems to have some form of rating on a good to bad scale so in a way yes.Are there average bits or slightly better or worse bits?
I am guessing it is just long recursions of self referential thoughts all based on some core/closely held beliefs, although I am not really sure what these beliefs are and how to let go of this attachment, I would imagine it just has to be continually seen and noted until it falls away?Is this the self?
If it is the self, who's deciding what's good and bad about the self?
Paradoxical I know lol but that is how it feelsYou're not sure, yet you have agency?
If you look back over the exercises you've carried out here - remind me who's in control of your thoughts and action?
I will try this from now onCreating a better relationship with thoughts may help - everytime you notice being lost in thought, laugh out loud or smile, the bigger the better.
Once a better relationship exists, some people find it works if they ask their thoughts to leave them alone.
Others just tell their thoughts to fuck off, but you need the relationship first, otherwise this last technique can backfire.
no one is in controlIf you look back over the exercises you've carried out here - remind me who's in control of your thoughts and action?
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