I have arrived

[Anastacia42]

We're waiting for you to be able to say that 100% there's no separate self.

Then I will offer you our traditional "final" questions, which will be slated with other guides, who may have questions

We're not finished until then.

I've offered resources for you to overcome doubting. And ButtChair for you to do every day to continue LOOKING. Report on that daily, please. LOOKIBG is what matters.

Loving,

[coolpillows]

Okay, I think I'm following.

Here's something you can maybe sort out for me. In my learnings and discovery, I've done some self-inquiry into "Who Am I?" (from Ramana Maharshi) and then I've also come to understand the state of "I Am" (from Nisargadatta Maharaj). While I've gotten comfortable with some of that work and made headway, where does that fit with the work we're doing.

I'm guessing that the answer doesn't refer to any of those methods. That we're just looking to see that there is no separate self. Period.

But I have this thinking mind (call me crazy) and it wonders about these things. Can you clarify?

peace.....

[Anastacia42]

This is why we suggest you stick only to LU.

Yes, the problem is the thinking mind

No, we don't use those questions. Those do not fit with our model. Not necessarily wrong just different and no 12 you're confused.

Stop thinking & LOOK

https://www.liberationunleashed.com/res ... ar-seeker/

https://www.liberationunleashed.com/res ... implified/

Loving

[coolpillows]

Cool. Just know I’m sticking to LU and what’s happening here. I’m not dabbling in that other stuff now, just wanted to mention it and sort it out. After looking at your two links I thought “Holy shit! Am I that guy doing that thing?!” But you have to know I’m not. This helps me understand the whole approach better.

So here’s where I stand. There are moments when I can just sense, there’s an ease, a great weight lifted, a sorta money-in-the-bank, I got-all-the-answers-to-the-test state of mind. It is when I see this not happening to me. I see someone/something else ‘doing it.’ When I simply look, I see that the “I” is false, does not exist, is a story being told, all that. But it doesn’t last. I can see how doubt has come along and messed with the process. But, like the videos teach (I haven’t caught her name, Damore?) doubt is sorta welcome. It’s there for a reason. It’s pointing me to what is in the way. The belief that things may not be okay. That I need to worry. That there’s fear still. I’m working through it.

So that’s me right now. Don’t worry. I’m not that guy doing that thing. lol

peace……

[Anastacia42]

Well, yeah, you kind of are that guy doing that thing. But that's okay.

There are moments when I can just sense, there’s an ease, a great weight lifted, a sorta money-in-the-bank, I got-all-the-answers-to-the-test state of mind. It is when I see this not happening to me. I see someone/something else ‘doing it.’ When I simply look, I see that the “I” is false, does not exist, is a story being told, all that. But it doesn’t last.

How many times do I have to tell you it isn't going to be 24/7 right now? That's a myth.

Every time you believe an untrue thought, you'll feel you've "lost it." But have you? Don't you still know there's no "self? "

We have so many untrue thoughts. The world around us feeds them to us constantly, doesn't it? It can take years of questioning them * LOOKING. I've shared both Ilona's & OneSpaciousnes's bidets. Why are you still expecting what that & I have told you is not going to happen?

Do you think we're lying to you?


This why I suggest you attend group teleconferences.Maybev when you hear the dance thing over & over, you'll stop doubting. You're probably going to want to pursue 10 Fetter work, but the first step is to accept your experience of no self as it is right now.

I can't offer anything more because you're telling me you already see there's no self.

When can you attend sine groups? Soon, I hope!

Much love,,

[Anastacia42]

Same thing, not dance thing.

Is 4 am & in on my phone & can't get my cursor to behave.

[coolpillows]

I think there’s another typo in there. There’s some stuff In blue you may not have wanted me to quote. I know, doing this on our phones is not easy. But we try.

But have you? Don't you still know there's no "self? "

Of course I know it’s not 24/7. But I’m getting to a place where I see there is no self. Absolutely. It’s a relief. Believe me.

Do you think we're lying to you?

Of course I don’t think you’re lying to me. I wouldn’t be doing this if I thought you were lying.

I will try to attend one of the sessions. Rereading the thread has been helpful.

It’s a nice spring day. I’m finding some peace or “Joy of Experiencing.”

peace……

[Anastacia42]

Good.

[coolpillows]

I’m just checking in. Good day. I woke up this morning with something of an ease about things. Nothing too unusual. I don’t have much to report. Don’t want to say too much but some sense inside of like a calm lake. It’s hard to explain. Hope you are well.

peace……..

[Anastacia42]

Woo hoo!

some sense inside of like a calm lake.

People seeing no self often (nearly always) report that type of feeling. Just relax into it.

Can you find a "self? "

Is there anything to seek for?

Let me know.

Loving,

[coolpillows]

Can you find a "self? "

No. I want to write more to sorta qualify what I'm saying but I don't think I have to. Haha!

Is there anything to seek for?

No. Kinda same answer. I wanna write more but, ah, why bother!

peace.......

[Anastacia42]

Wonderful, Lee

We have some traditional "final" questions, which will be shated with v other guides, who may have questions. Would you like to answer those?

Loving,

[coolpillows]

Yes, hit me with your questions. I can’t promise I’ll be able to devote my full attention over the next few days as I’m visiting my son in California for his 30th birthday. :)

peace….

[Anastacia42]

Great. Take your time. Happy 30th to your son!

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Loving

[coolpillows]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

There isn’t an “I.” There’s the illusion of an “I” that seems to be real, but when I started to really look for it, I couldn’t find it. I would find traces of something seeming to be a self, but nothing there ultimately. To the second question, it’s a little tricky to answer. Because at one time, I believed there was a self, an “I” that I called “Lee.” But once I see that there is no “Lee” I could trace back through my entire life and see that I was believing in a ghost, an apparition. So was there ever a separate self? No. Did I believe there was at one time? Yes. Until recently.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The separate self is an illusion that begins around the age of 2, when we start to learn language and are calling ourselves by our given name. As I’ve been learning through meditation, readings, other teachers, and the work in here I've come to see something that is so ingrained in my identity is false. It takes me time to realize this and I just have to remind myself to return to it. When the realization is in full effect, it's like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders. I don't worry. I don't feel stress. I see things just occurring. I can separate out my thoughts as something that are just my mind, operating under the impression that it has a self to manage. I can see how all of that simply doesn't exist. It does come and go at times. I still use the term "I" in sentences to describe things and communicate all day long. That suggests that there is an "I" but it's more of habit and convenience. I can't walk around avoiding using the word "I" and talking in the passive voice all the time. It wouldn't make sense.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It is disorienting at times and other times pleasant. I was stressed over some personal matters but they can be separated out in a way as just occurrences. The journey began with me not even seeing a need to go through this process. But then the exercises and questions that were posed to me were enlightening and got me thinking that perhaps I had more work to do in this area. The past few days have been good and I go back to my first sort of realization, waking up and feeling a sort of relief. That comes and goes but it's still there. I don't think I can ever go back to not knowing all I know now.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

It's hard to say. I just woke up one day and felt better. But if I look at the thread and some of what was going on I think there the video on doubt in the 2nd fetter by Pernille Damore was helpful. I also noticed that the last communications were questions like "Do you think we're lying to you?" and I was somewhat taken aback. You commented *""How many times do I have to tell you it isn't going to be 24/7 right now? That's a myth."* Frankly, it annoyed me. At the same time, I took it in stride and responded and just let go of it. I don't take this too seriously. You're trying to make a point. The other thing that helped were the videos on the 2nd fetter about doubt. Between watching that and the last comments I think something must've happened. I have no idea frankly. It doesn't matter. It just happened that things lifted.