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[Elad]

Hi, Elad

A question appears…Are selfing thoughts just appearing as a function of this body/mind to “navigate” experience and is the pushing or pulling on them what give them charge? Is that what we call identification here?
I’ ve been observing these days that resistance to selfing thoughts giving me that sense of being “the one” who has to stay vigilance and who has some kind of control to make them appear or not.

Thank you ❤️

Right on!!! Explore: do selfing thoughts or anything else need to change or indicate a separate self in DE? Is anything not happening with complete naturalness by itself?

[Elad]

If you feel like it, play with this: Find a nice place to sit, could be a cafe, could be park, etc. Have a pen and paper. Make a mark on the paper when you notice spontaneous occurences not chosen or controlled by "a self"/"a controller"/"a chooser". As you something might intuit, know or believe, this is the case all the time, "everything". But for the purposes of making this experiential, make a mark every time you notice that something that would conventionally be described as your doing is happening spontaneously. Stuff like thoughts, movements, attention shifts, feelings, urges, etc. Do this for 10-20-30 min and write me what was noticed :)

This practice can be helpful to do several times.

[Malva]

Hi Elad,

write me what was noticed :)

The recognition of the spontaneity of each appearance has brought here a felt sense of ok-ness and a natural acceptance by no one… Presence.
And it is more clear the moment when identification with any of these appearances happens, it’s some kind of more or less intense contraction, and here that it’s being the call to go back to DE, go back to the sensations field.

Curiosity and availability have increased noticeably.

Thank you 💛

[Elad]

Hi Elad,

write me what was noticed :)

The recognition of the spontaneity of each appearance has brought here a felt sense of ok-ness and a natural acceptance by no one… Presence.
And it is more clear the moment when identification with any of these appearances happens, it’s some kind of more or less intense contraction, and here that it’s being the call to go back to DE, go back to the sensations field.

Curiosity and availability have increased noticeably.

Thank you 💛

Wonderful!

Marifé does not exist, she never did. No one signed up for Liberation Unleashed.

How does it feel, what comes up? Look-feel deeply. Answer with the fullest sincerity.

[Malva]

Marifé does not exist, she never did. No one signed up for Liberation Unleashed.

How does it feel, what comes up? Look-feel deeply. Answer with the fullest sincerity.

The first day after reading it there was a kind of contraction, It could be labeled as sadness. Resistance thoughts trying to reunify memories and the story. Thoughts to make distance between this “me” and “others”….no one doing or controlling any of those, that’s clear.
Now there’s more curiosity and an aim to look closer, deeper, as some other aspects are starting to fall apart (subjectivity, time…)… this arises spontaneously and at times the “I thought” tries to turn it into a kind “personal goal” but it’ s seen too.

As I’ve said before, is in relation to “others” where more difficulties arise as it seems to reaffirm the character.

Thank you ❤️

[Elad]

Marifé does not exist, she never did. No one signed up for Liberation Unleashed.

How does it feel, what comes up? Look-feel deeply. Answer with the fullest sincerity.

The first day after reading it there was a kind of contraction, It could be labeled as sadness. Resistance thoughts trying to reunify memories and the story. Thoughts to make distance between this “me” and “others”….no one doing or controlling any of those, that’s clear.
Now there’s more curiosity and an aim to look closer, deeper, as some other aspects are starting to fall apart (subjectivity, time…)… this arises spontaneously and at times the “I thought” tries to turn it into a kind “personal goal” but it’ s seen too.

As I’ve said before, is in relation to “others” where more difficulties arise as it seems to reaffirm the character.

Thank you ❤️

Beautiful.

I think you might be close to where we can ask the final liberation unleashed questions. Those are standard final questions that are then reviewed by three other guides to see if we can help clarify more in some ways. How does that sound to you?

However, before that, let's look at this "re-affriming of the character" when experiencing triggering with others. Describe a concrete example. What happens? What exactly is triggering in the situation/interaction? As in, what would a camera show? What kind of thoughts and internal sensations are evoked? How do they seemingly re-affirm the character? Do they really re-affirm the character?

[Malva]

I think you might be close to where we can ask the final liberation unleashed questions. Those are standard final questions that are then reviewed by three other guides to see if we can help clarify more in some ways. How does that sound to you?

Great! ( it’s funny while reading that some thoughts doubting that “closeness” apperars 😅)

However, before that, let's look at this "re-affriming of the character" when experiencing triggering with others. Describe a concrete example. What happens? What exactly is triggering in the situation/interaction? As in, what would a camera show? What kind of thoughts and internal sensations are evoked? How do they seemingly re-affirm the character? Do they really re-affirm the character?

At job for instance, as a teacher. I work with children and I’m back to school after Christmas holidays. The role of the character is correct behaviors and show the “right” way of doing schoolwork and act properly. As writing you now is seen that the questioning thoughts have arisen labeling that as “doership”… some kind of “not separate self police” thoughts and identification with them….it’s funny the amount of reflective capacity of mind. More and more thoughts and never a thinker in DE. A seeking thought pattern, isn’t it?

Thank you 💛

[Malva]

I think you might be close to where we can ask the final liberation unleashed questions. Those are standard final questions that are then reviewed by three other guides to see if we can help clarify more in some ways. How does that sound to you?

Great! ( it’s funny while reading that some thoughts doubting that “closeness” apperars 😅)

However, before that, let's look at this "re-affriming of the character" when experiencing triggering with others. Describe a concrete example. What happens? What exactly is triggering in the situation/interaction? As in, what would a camera show? What kind of thoughts and internal sensations are evoked? How do they seemingly re-affirm the character? Do they really re-affirm the character?

At job for instance, as a teacher. I work with children and I’m back to school after Christmas holidays. The role of the character is correct behaviors and show the “right” way of doing schoolwork and act properly. As writing you now is seen that the questioning thoughts have arisen labeling that as “doership”… some kind of “not separate self police” thoughts and identification with them….it’s funny the amount of reflective capacity of mind. More and more thoughts and never a thinker in DE. A seeking thought pattern, isn’t it?

Thank you 💛

[Malva]

I think you might be close to where we can ask the final liberation unleashed questions. Those are standard final questions that are then reviewed by three other guides to see if we can help clarify more in some ways. How does that sound to you?

Great! ( it’s funny while reading that some thoughts doubting that “closeness” apperars 😅)

However, before that, let's look at this "re-affriming of the character" when experiencing triggering with others. Describe a concrete example. What happens? What exactly is triggering in the situation/interaction? As in, what would a camera show? What kind of thoughts and internal sensations are evoked? How do they seemingly re-affirm the character? Do they really re-affirm the character?

At job for instance, as a teacher. I work with children and I’m back to school after Christmas holidays. The role of the character is correct behaviors and show the “right” way of doing schoolwork and act properly. As writing you now is seen that the questioning thoughts have arisen labeling that as “doership”… some kind of “not separate self police” thoughts and identification with them….it’s funny the amount of reflective capacity of mind. More and more thoughts and never a thinker in DE. A seeking thought pattern, isn’t it?

Thank you 💛

[Elad]

I think you might be close to where we can ask the final liberation unleashed questions. Those are standard final questions that are then reviewed by three other guides to see if we can help clarify more in some ways. How does that sound to you?

Great! ( it’s funny while reading that some thoughts doubting that “closeness” apperars 😅)

However, before that, let's look at this "re-affriming of the character" when experiencing triggering with others. Describe a concrete example. What happens? What exactly is triggering in the situation/interaction? As in, what would a camera show? What kind of thoughts and internal sensations are evoked? How do they seemingly re-affirm the character? Do they really re-affirm the character?

At job for instance, as a teacher. I work with children and I’m back to school after Christmas holidays. The role of the character is correct behaviors and show the “right” way of doing schoolwork and act properly. As writing you now is seen that the questioning thoughts have arisen labeling that as “doership”… some kind of “not separate self police” thoughts and identification with them….it’s funny the amount of reflective capacity of mind. More and more thoughts and never a thinker in DE. A seeking thought pattern, isn’t it?

Thank you 💛

Okay good. A few things.

1) This work will not stop doership in the conventional sense, as it will not stop memories, and storytelling, and passion and feelings. The only thing is it is seen that none of it is a fixed and separate self, but rather dynamic functioning of the whole. Experiences are generated and changed in the moment in a process beyond our limited conceptions. How do you react to this?

2) The one who sees through the separate self OR the one who does not see through the separate self... Are either of them more than a thought?

3) Can thinking/a thought see through the separate self? Can thinking/a thought see?

[Malva]

1) This work will not stop doership in the conventional sense, as it will not stop memories, and storytelling, and passion and feelings. The only thing is it is seen that none of it is a fixed and separate self, but rather dynamic functioning of the whole. Experiences are generated and changed in the moment in a process beyond our limited conceptions. How do you react to this?

Nothing changes because It’s already the case. Only experience without experiencer…only what’s happening. I feel relief.

2) The one who sees through the separate self OR the one who does not see through the separate self... Are either of them more than a thought?

Only thoughts….only concepts. The questioner and the question are one and the same…who cares? Only a thought.

3) Can thinking/a thought see through the separate self? Can thinking/a thought see?

Sounds hilarious…thoughts are only distorted reflections of DE that attempt to manage it to protect the illusory self, another thought, a perfect hammster wheel

[Elad]

🥰🌈


Okay! Please answer all these questions in one message. Please make sure you answer each one below "ANSWER" so it is easy for the other guides to track what questions you are answering. Make sure to answer all questions. Take all the time you need and enjoy. After recieving your answer maybe we will inquire more together or maybe the other guides will have some things to inquire into with you. After that you and I will talk about onwards, lovely opportunities to stay in touch and exchange with "like-minded/hearted".





1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

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2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

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3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.

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4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

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5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.

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6) What makes things happen? How does it work?

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7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

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6) Anything to add?

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[Malva]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

ANSWER:

No...it´s just concept, a thought and it never was.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

ANSWER:

As a newborn starts to grow it seems to be a first movement of reflection into consciousness, a first "separation" from the formless, undivided to a time and space bound reflection that brings "forms" and the knowing of them into "existence". As language is developed concepts start to match different realms of experience (sound, sensations, words...etc.) and "creates" apparent discrete "things" a sort of interface to navigate experience. The child starts to be named by others and thoughts like "me" or "mine" appears to refer to some appearances and with an immature nervous system the child starts to avoid some parts of that what has assumed ownership. An "inner world" starts to develop as a self protective mechanism and a pattern of thought that acts as if experience could be managed. Like a sort of internal GPS but the reflective nature of consciousness and thoughts end up reinforcing the illusory sense of control as if know the GPS was no driving the car, like a little child with a toy steering wheel believing his driving his daddy´s car.

Than "explanation" is what is appearing here now trying to give meaning to something that apparently happens in character´s stories. And English is not my native language so I´ve done my best to translate....

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.

ANSWER:

It feels freer and lighter. Spacious and expansive. Calm and easier. And an inner trust without a reason, just trust.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

ANSWER:

I was reading a novel and was clearly seen that all "my" narratives about what was going to be the next, all the feelings...were the result of identification and no different in any way to "my real " life. It´s difficult to put It into words because it was more like and experience not an understanding so...

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.

All of that are after thoughts. Spontaneous appearances are translated in the story using those narratives trying to give meaning and sense to maintain an illusory separate self that has to be fabricated by thought constantly.

6) What makes things happen? How does it work?

No-thing happens....it´s all a reflection into consciousness labeled by thoughts. Like a movie with subtitles in a screen (without no-one separate seeing it)

7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

ANSWER:

As a reflection in a mirror, as a character is like the cloud example I used last week. The cloud seems to be responsible for the rain from outside but it's an all encompassing undivided experience and responsibilities are a part of it.

6) Anything to add?

Everything its a thought and a thought can´t know a thing so...the paradox is served.

Thank you so much!!

[Elad]

Dear Marifé

Beautiful answers, I and three other guides looked, and no one had any questions. This means you "graduated Liberation Unleashed" :D The real important thing though, and the only real thing here, is your direct experience. Nerina will contact you to the Unleashed facebook group for "graduates". I will welcome you there and we can connect. Then I will tell you more about further options to explore and play and get support when it is wanted. And we can stay in touch, I will be happy to. If you don't use facebook we can connect over email. It has been a joy to be in this with you, thank you for your sincerity and clarity.

With love,
Elad

[Malva]

It’s been a pleasure to look deeply with your guidance. Your pointers have brought so much clarity and I’ll always look directly for my socks color from now on 😉
I don’t have Facebook at the moment so email sounds great!

LoVe and so much Gratitude ❤️
Marifé