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Re: Initial registration

Postby Lubo » Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:40 am

Nice, Jed,

Let's go deeper in thoughts:

With eyes closed:
- there is darkness + thoughts + imagination of someone to whom thoughts are speaking to, right? Check?

Then notice without this imagination what is going on here?
Where the thoughts are coming from?
What is All this here?

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Re: Initial registration

Postby 7dogfarm » Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:25 am

Thank you for the meeting today! So sweet.

Yes, darkness + thoughts + imagination of someone to whom thoughts are speaking.
Thoughts are just happening in that space. They are coming from nothing and are just arising. Without imagination there is darkness and fullness, beingness and there are thoughts attached to nothing saying nothing about anything. Without imagination nothing is lacking. So nice to notice that what is here is enough, it is whole, and always has been!

All this here is indescribable everything and nothing all at once. And I could say that is what I am but there seems to be no need to even make that distinction.

Thank you for this beautiful pointing!!


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Re: Initial registration

Postby Lubo » Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:13 am

Hi dear Jet,
So nice to see you at the meeting.

And thank you for this beautiful answer:
Thoughts are just happening in that space. They are coming from nothing and are just arising. Without imagination there is darkness and fullness, beingness and there are thoughts attached to nothing saying nothing about anything. Without imagination nothing is lacking. So nice to notice that what is here is enough, it is whole, and always has been!

All this here is indescribable everything and nothing all at once. And I could say that is what I am but there seems to be no need to even make that distinction.
This answer cover all non-duality.

To close the case here we give some final questions, this helps other guides to take a look and see if I am missing something.


So, you can play with them:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?


Much love,
Lubo
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Re: Initial registration

Postby 7dogfarm » Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:54 am

Hi!!

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
Nowhere is there any separate self, me or I. Those are ideas, concepts and beliefs that can’t be found in any experience. They were never real and only ever a fantasy.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of the separate self is created by and starts with a single thought believed. There is reality as it is, and a thought arises as part of reality that says I am having that experience. If it were just that then it would come and go. But when it is believed to be true then a separate self is imaginarily created and thought to be real. Without checking out if it actually exists it continues to seem like a thing distinct and apart from the whole. What believes it in the first place is a mystery. How can undifferentiated reality believe something, much less something unreal?

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It feels full and all inclusive. What is different is that looking out and looking in are the same thing. The forms are distinct, but it is all the same one reality with no seams or boundaries. It is much easier to just be this and nothing is wanting to move away. Nothing is looking for something that isn’t here. There are moments of drifting into thought and thinking doubting or questioning thoughts, but quickly that is seen and it is dropped and then falling back into here.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
There were a few different moments that cause the shift. Initially it was reading Gateless Gatecrashers and looking along with those with whom dialogs were being had. It was looking at the fact that there is only this nowless-now and there never was anywhere else to look. Seeing that this is it. And then it was really looking at what was actually there in each experience directly without anything said about the experience as well as what exactly I, me, self was. It was feeling ‘I’ in the body, really looking at the experience and finding only sensation there, no ‘I’. That made it clear that there was no ‘I’ anywhere and there is only this ever-present reality with nowhere to go and nothing to look for. No special experience needed to be had to see truth because it is this everything here as it is. Amazing that it can be missed.

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Decisions happen. If it is looked at plainly no entity can be found in it. Deciding is all there is in the deciding. No entity needs to be there to have it happen. If toast is chosen for breakfast, that is what is and an ‘I’ can’t be found in direct experience in the choosing.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.
The same as deciding above. There seems to be an intender but when looked at directly only intention is there. An example is, there is intention to look deeply at if there is a self and since that can’t be found in the current experience, not only is there no self actually, there can’t be a self that intends.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.
He he, this is an irrelevant question. What would have will free or otherwise? All things are and arise, and fall away and will has nothing to do with it.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.
The same as deciding above. Decision, choice, intention and will are more of just descriptions of what happens if a description is needed at all. Really, they don’t exist at all.

Describe control & give examples from experience.
There is no control, same as the other concepts above. All arises and there is no controller. This can’t be found. Any example would just be a description of someone who only thinks they are in control when that someone is an idea that can’t control anything. I might think I control the work that I do, but if I honestly look there is just working and nothing controlling it.

What makes things happen? How does it work?
I have no idea. It just happens. And from one perspective, nothing happens since it all just is one whole flow without distinction. Happening requires a someone for it to happen to. It requires duality.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
I am responsible for nothing as I am but not as a separate thing. As a human being I am responsible for looking at what is real.

6) Anything to add?
Much gratitude for this process and your simple guidance Lubo! It is so clear and direct, more than any direct teaching I have ever come across, and there have been a lot. Today had so-called challenging moments, and all there was to do was to look at what was being believed about who was having them and if that who actually existed in the experience. So, simple and really the most sane thing a human can do. 😊 And really there was no one doing any of that. It’s just a sticky, habitual illusion. As I write I and look at the writing as it is occurring now it is unfathomable that there is not a 'me' doing it yet I can find nothing but the movement of the fingers on the keys, and not even that. What a mystery!

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Re: Initial registration

Postby Lubo » Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:55 am

Hi dear Jed,
Thank you for the answers.
Much gratitude for this process and your simple guidance Lubo! It is so clear and direct, more than any direct teaching I have ever come across, and there have been a lot. Today had so-called challenging moments, and all there was to do was to look at what was being believed about who was having them and if that who actually existed in the experience. So, simple and really the most sane thing a human can do. 😊
It is joy to be with you.
Yeee, there will be moment of challenging but I found that "trust" points that there is no idea something terrible to happen and this unconditional trust make all that happening to sober.
It is hard to be put in words. But yes there is supreme intelligent running the show.

Now I will invite other guides to take a look and there can be questions or no.
I will let you now.
So much love to you,
Lubo
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Re: Initial registration

Postby 7dogfarm » Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:51 pm

Thank you! Are you new to being a guide and that is why you are asking other guides to review?

Love

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Re: Initial registration

Postby Lubo » Sat Dec 09, 2023 5:08 pm

Every case in LU can end only with 3 independent confirmations.
Something like quality control :) But no one can confirm or not what is really seen,
so this is more for the guides but not for the clients.

You are confirmed already.
You will receive letter from the admin of LU .

Let's keep in touch.

Much love,
Lubo
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Re: Initial registration

Postby 7dogfarm » Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:41 pm

Thank you!! I will see you and Luchana on weekly meetings as I can attend.

Where in France do you live?

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Re: Initial registration

Postby Lubo » Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:54 pm

It will be nice to join the meetings.

We are in Sete.

So much love to you, Jed.
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