Just This

[Elad]

1) yes, this feeling is just here, sometimes more present, sometimes feels very transparent, like had to hold yourself in one piece kind of, but no one can influence it, it is just happening itself.

2) wish it was possible, would be nice to have that on/off switch. If sit and observe next thought to come, it is completely impossible to predict, however still that old belief want to reinforce itself, like " I have an option to decide and control"

3) thought can not think, thoughts are just thinking process, like a flow, and thoughts can't really do anything, however thoughts are causing reactions in the body

Good stuff. Please do the exercises below to deepen the seeing, and also so I can get more sense of what is going on. And aslo write me:

Do you still have any questions or unfulfilled wishes for this work together Liberation Unleashed?



Stream Exercise

Imagine for a moment a scene, one of a little mountain stream which is tumbling down a hillside gully, not far from its source. It has been raining and so the level is quite high. Consider in your mind's eye, if you can, how it flows to the right over a little rock (where, had the level been lower, it would probably have gone around the rock), then the flow goes to the left over a tree bow, and then slows a little in a broader place, before splashing over a small cascade into a pool, and so on down the mountain side. Does it choose any of its directions? Is it even really a separate entity different from the water deposited in it, the rocks, the depressions in the ground etc? Is it even the same entity moment by moment, or more the product of weather conditions and water, like an ever-changing pattern?

1. Can you find anywhere where 'insert name' autonomously intervenes into life, choosing something that is not the product of all the elements; that is not a part of the overall flow?

2. Now please consider a regular decision made eg; what to wear in the morning, or what to eat for lunch, and describe to me what happens. There are environmental factors, there are colour preferences (but where did those come from - any autonomous intervention there perhaps?), practical issues (such as what is available), available time for preparation, purpose (eg; need to fill up for the day, or to look hip and cool for that person!) etc. Where in there is an autonomous entity intervening in the flow of life? Can you find someone somewhere?

3. Can anything be found for which 'insert name' is responsible – if so responsible to what and for what?



Body Exercise


Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes.
Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:

Can it be known how tall the body is?

Does the body have a weight or volume?

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing? Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside?

If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?

If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to? What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question. Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc) before replying.

[Elad]

Also, if you feel like it, I thought you might enjoy this conversation with fellow LU guide Paul, particularly regarding thoughts and sensations and the relation between the two:

https://youtu.be/KHvk_RN6Cs8?si=ywWXc6SdYVE_gbue

[Aeze]

Thank you for the links and exercises, very valuable.
Is there any support available in this falling process here on LU, like if any questions arises or anywhere I feel like stock with something, or some strong emotional responses coming up.

[Elad]

Thank you for the links and exercises, very valuable.
Is there any support available in this falling process here on LU, like if any questions arises or anywhere I feel like stock with something, or some strong emotional responses coming up.

Glad you find it helpful! Look forward to your answers. Yes once we finish here I will tell you about options to join peer communities and get support.

[Elad]

Wrote this to a client who is just on the verge, and thought it might be helpful for you as well:


We have all the time you want, no hurry 🤍 The way it seems here it's always possible to doubt when attention is lost in the content of thoughts and feelings, kinda like you can have all kinds of dreams at night. The point is to get very clear that every time you pay full attention to what is real now, rather then being lost in the contents of thoughts and feelings, it's seen that the self and all its concerns, is just a mental activity, like a dream, without any real self without independent free will in it. Please check this many times . Worry to lose awakening is inherently a state of being lost in identification with thought content. No guarantee it won't happen for me or you, in fact it's very normal it does, our work here is not to guarantee against it, but that you gain very clear direct experience that in the same moment when you are NOT lost in the content of thoughts and feelings, but rather are attentive and letting everything be, you see that whatever content was believed to be self was only like a dream in thought, without independent free will or an independent separate self.

[Aeze]

1. Can you find anywhere where 'insert name' autonomously intervenes into life, choosing something that is not the product of all the elements; that is not a part of the overall flow?

Something leading to something and that is leading to next, it is like constant unfolding, nothing is separated.

2. Now please consider a regular decision made eg; what to wear in the morning, or what to eat for lunch, and describe to me what happens. There are environmental factors, there are colour preferences (but where did those come from - any autonomous intervention there perhaps?), practical issues (such as what is available), available time for preparation, purpose (eg; need to fill up for the day, or to look hip and cool for that person!) etc. Where in there is an autonomous entity intervening in the flow of life? Can you find someone somewhere?

There is no entity as such, body gets up, and fully self functioning in the flow, actions are taken, decisions are made and a thought comes into play after that " I did", "I choose" etc


3. Can anything be found for which 'insert name' is responsible – if so responsible to what and for what?

Annemarie is just a story, just a character in cartoon or video game, how can character be responsible for anything.


Body Exercise

Can it be known how tall the body is?
No, just sensations there, no measurements, anything length related can only be thought about.

Does the body have a weight or volume?
Just sensation, there are no any weight or volume in sensations.

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
Just sensation, there are no any shape or form in sensations.

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing? Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
Just sensations and no boundaries there in the sensory experience, you have to think and visualize to create body, chair, clothing.

Is there an inside or an outside?
Just one perception of sensations, without thinking no inside or outside.

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
Label ‘body’ is what we normally refer to human as a whole, including all parts, like head, arms, skin, internal organs etc, body is a combinations of all parts.

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?
All there is just some sensory experience, and without labeling senses nothing can be actually defined, just something, just felt, just is, even that is too much said, there is nothing can be said in actual experience itself.

[Elad]

This is all very clear. At LU when we believe that seeing is there and the client feel ready, there are some standard final questions. I and 3 other guides will review them, and if we can help clarify something further, we will. After that you "graduate" from LU. Then I will tell you about options for further support and peer sharing post-awakening. We can also stay in touch and you can ask me questions in the future. Do you feel ready for this or is there something else you would like my help with before?

[Aeze]

Yes, I am ready for next 3 questions.

[Elad]

Yes, I am ready for next 3 questions.

Its, more then 3 ;)

Please answer all these questions in one message. Please make sure you answer each one below "ANSWER" so it is easy for the other guides to track what questions you are answering. Make sure to answer all questions. Take all the time you need and enjoy.





1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

ANSWER:

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

ANSWER:

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.

ANSWER:

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

ANSWER:

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.

ANSWER:

6) What makes things happen? How does it work?

ANSWER:

7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

ANSWER:

6) Anything to add?

ANSWER:

[Aeze]

Its, more then 3 ;)

I misunderstood 3 other guides with questions, oopsy

[Aeze]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

ANSWER: There is no such thing existing, and never was, just a thought I, ME, MINE, just a label what is used in communication to refer to the body form, same as any name, no difference.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

ANSWER: I do not know when that starts, can only guess in some early stage of childhood when we learn language, I believe for survival purpose, and then all the past conditioning forming what we know as self, basically just a bunch of thoughts, sensations and interpretations with belief as some real existing entity, as all somehow experienced through the body mind form. Illusion of separate self is something very like dream created character, mind creates it and projects it out there like a doll, just pure imagination, created to interact with other characters, which are actually also created very same way, technically we never interact with other as such, mind is playing game with these mind created characters within itself.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.

ANSWER: There is no difference to be honest, just when looked closer in any given situation, can be clearly seen that there is no real entity behind thought ,action or sensation.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

ANSWER: It was like clear seeing that this presence, existence just is, without identifying with anything, not defined by anything and always been this way

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.

ANSWER: Decision, intention - something happens, brain makes diction, body acting.
Free will, choice and control – some impulse perceived in the body-mind form and it navigates it, unexplainable way, there is no way to decide to have this impulse or not have it, no way to decide to drop it or not, something is working through this body and there is no one can stop until this navigation force stops or starts navigate It different direction.

6) What makes things happen? How does it work?

ANSWER: Just happening, very randomly, very spontaneously, just like response to environment, like response to other people actions.

7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

ANSWER: ME, I, SELF is a projection, like movie in cinema on the screen, as much as character in the movie are responsible, that much SELF, ME, I has responsibility, or like a dream character as much responsibility as that.

6) Anything to add?

ANSWER: There is the feeling like centre, body located centre, even when looking it can not be found as some real central point, but feels like everything experienced through the body does that always stay like this or it fades over time?

[Elad]

Hi, thank you.

Re your question. As you wrote it is a sense of center with no real pointed existence. This for what is called higher fetter work. We can talk about how to look at that with peers post LU. It can change, it can be seen clearly that is just a mind creation.

I have a question for you: at the begining of our process you had a lot of fear triggered. How do you feel about seeing that there is no self now? What changed?

[Aeze]

Fear comes and goes, like waves, some days more, some day less, no any specific reason, today was pretty calm day, some other days like constant subtle anxiety felt. Last night was strange experience, in half awake half asleep state, it was clear seining that selfing is just a process, then it felt like emptiness, like hard to define any sense of whatever you are, and then it was like plunge and like falling, which triggered fear response, but it all settled pretty quickly, guess cause it was in half dream state. It actually very strange epiphanies and experiences happening lately. Also body shakes then and again. And restlessness can be pretty intense at times. It all changing all the time, comes and goes, comes and goes. Sometimes thought feel pretty sticky and mind attacks more strong, which normalcy creates emotional response in the body, sometimes more stillness and presence.

[Elad]

Thank you! I will let other guides look now.

[Aeze]

Thank you!