Liberation?

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matt1313
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Re: Liberation?

Postby matt1313 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:28 pm

No, the I is just an idea, just a thought. But this thought is very scared of being seen as what it really is. There never was a me separate from my true self, just a self-created story. "I"ve come back though. But I'm not quite sure I've completely seen through.. Just a glimpse of how flimsy the I is, and how full and warm and greater and lighter the true self is.

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Re: Liberation?

Postby zenkitties » Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:54 pm

what is scared about it being seen, or can it even see itself? The thought IS the thinker.

What belief is propogating this fear, and what tensions are in the body because of this. It's good to be mindful of these things.

I think you're on to something. The I is flimsy in fact it doesn't even exist. Only as thought it seems to be there but this doesn't point toward anything. The thought it self is empty of a you. Can you see this?
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Re: Liberation?

Postby matt1313 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:50 pm

Yes I can, the I is nothing but a thought, the thought itself is not an entity, just a thought. It does not need to be believed in, as nothing needs to be believed in, yet the feeling of separateness from everything still remains, although intellectually it has been acknowledged. When I look at my hands all that is seen is hands, yet there still remains a shred of belief in the hands being "my" hands, not just hands being perceived, even though intellectually I know these hands are just hands, they are part of a body sitting in a chair. Sensations are being kept mindful of. There is no ownership.


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